Nightmare General Discussion/Q&A

How about interesting stuff like WS B~236 or 22A6~GS? Could this be made safe by the above tech?

22A6 into GS mix-ups would become quite deadly imho.
 
In that case, things that should be tested:
33B6 cancel → 4A+B
33B6 cancel → 66B, possible tech trap like after NSS A+B?

Either way, with the GS K BE Nightmare's wall game just got that much better.
 
Slade said:
In that case, things that should be tested:
33B6 cancel → 4A+B
33B6 cancel → 66B, possible tech trap like after NSS A+B?

Either way, with the GS K BE Nightmare's wall game just got that much better.
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Tested:

4A+B no Tech trap but FULL Roll/staydown trap. half life dmg.

66B guaranteed Combo + Full tech trap .
69 dmg if they stay down, 121 dmg if they tech into 66B.


Tested against Leixia and NM
 
SCPartisan said:
it probably won't change that...much. :p
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Thanks for speeding up the new combo discovery. It's almost like the universe waited until someone would say something like that.

I wish we could get a confirmation from PS if it was intentional. Placing hidden stuff like this is practically an art.
 
SCPartisan said:
JP players were talking about it on twitter.
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wow... thank you for discovering the Japanese secret otherwise it will leave in the coffin forever. Do they type Japanese?
Wow... I can't imagine how good Nightmare will be with a safe 33B6. @_@

DarkSlayer said:
New Combos possible:


Combos into GS K also.
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Crazy stuff. Crazy Wall combo. Does it look like the "B+K Cancel" removed the frames of Turning Back too?
If it is, I'm pretty sure that 33B6>B+K Cancel>1A is an All-Side-Tech-Trap against to all characters because 33B6>TurningBack>JF Releasing G>JF input 1A --> is an All-Side-Tech-Trap combo in SC3.
And then I can mix-up with 4A+B with the "B+K Cancel". 50/50 mix-ups?

And those 66B tech-traps suggestion sounds good.

Let me see.
 
Alright guys, update on 33B ~ 4A+B.

I hope your not too hyped for this, it's extremly difficult to make it catch all siderolls.
I was playing against Chaos and i tried to 4A+B him, but he could roll left.

So i went to test it:

I though i did something wrong bc i'm sure that i got it on Leixia !
But i could't get it anymore... i tried Mitsu then...he could always roll left to avoid it!

But then i got it!! It catched my left roll! BUT HELL... it's difficult.
Almost like a JF and it doesn't work on CH, it doesn't work at some angles.

So, if you try it and you think it doesn't catch all rolls = it does.
I got a video doing it on Mitsu, when he rolls left.

Maybe someone with a progammable stick can check all the frames and tells us in detail , if it catches all rolls when you cancel in the first possible frames. Bc im not sure if i got the fastest cancel all the time.

Anyways.....guess what caches left rolls all rolls too....Kappa

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theMenace said:
Shouldnt 44b tech trap aswell?
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Yes i think it does, one side. But you don't need it since 66B will catch ALL + guaranteed.
 
DarkSlayer, don't worry. We need more time to test it. It probably relate several difficult input timing such as Releasing G, 4A+B input and B+K G. It is not a easy task for testing it on every characters. Thanks for your contribution.
 
Bad news.
About 33B6>B+K:G>Turning Back>1A,
I think it is not an All-Side-Tech-Trap for all characters because it is too close and some character can tech-roll escape from it.

About 33B6>B+K:G>Turning Back>4A+B,
I tried it so many times, but some characters can roll left to escape from it. Maybe I messed up my input timing. Need more people to test it.

No more 50/50 mix-up. Even it is, it will be very difficult to be executed.
 
SilentWall said:
Bad news.
About 33B6>B+K:G>Turning Back>1A,
I think it is not an All-Side-Tech-Trap for all characters because it is too close and some character can tech-roll escape from it.

About 33B6>B+K:G>Turning Back>4A+B,
I tried it so many times, but some characters can roll left to escape from it. Maybe I messed up my input timing. Need more people to test it.

No more 50/50 mix-up. Even it is, it will be very difficult to be executed.
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Typical SC5 Nightmare.

How about 2B+K BE as stay down option? Does it ground hit and do damage?
 
Didn't see this anywhere but after 33B6 GS cancel 44K catches sleep and all rolls. And a slightly delayed 3B will tech trap all directions for a pop up. Could be useful for trying to get a RO with 3B, NSS bA
 
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