SC Community needs to move on....

Status
Not open for further replies.
Belial said:
S-U on the contrary I believe hilde-users win only b/c of hilde. ONLY b/c of hilde. Its hard to prove though, b/c if a person main hilde and use other character even when they lose they say "its not my main char and you win with your main char" I vow I can DESTROY any hilde user if he use another character. I mean like 10-0 or something like that. And If I use mitsu vs their secondary, I'm not sure if they'll win a single round. I already proved that vs hilde of france who used to be top 5 of france with sophitia until recently. And I played 20-2 with his sophitia. His ex-main! But if he picks hilde it will be the other way around. People I've been totally destroying pick hilde and suddenly I'm helpless. Even though I wasted 3 months of hard practice to learn to beat her its still not enough even to make me win more than 2 out of 10.
I can play RTD or Ceirnian secondary char with Yun Seong who's also not my main and also is a low tier. I heard RTD use Mitsurugi as secondary char, so if he's up to it I'm going to prove it to you all. If you have the guts to face the truth.

I'm through this "hes still a skilled player", "not taking anything away from mr X he has skill" and "if that is broke why aint everyone winning" bullshit. Skill? There is NONE in playing this bitch. There is no fun in playing with her. She is the sole reason hardcore pro players leave the stage. Scrubs come and go, but when someone who's been playing for years (like Aris or Vicious and many others all over the world) quits b/c of this bullshit you're quick to say he couldnt "get over" or "step up his game". I laugh at this. If I had the time to learn a new game I would long ago. I dont care about SC anymore since that shit is around. I dont go to local tournaments. Call me a whiner. Tell me to step up my game. Call it a butthurt. Go ahead. But the problem isnt me. The problem arent all the players who quit. Problem is that this good game totally sucks. B/c of that bitch. Its not fun to use her. Its not fun (and frustrating) beating her.

Yeah and they love to tell cool stories "I'd be playing her anyways b/c she's hawt" or "I picked her up b4 I knew she's broke" LOL. If I, say. liked mortal combat, and bought the game its totally fine. But playing MK competetively? Give me a break.

^ I wonder why did I even wrote this wall of text. those words fall on deaf ears.
Click to expand...

In france it's called "Dire tout haut ce que les gens pensent tout bas"

Literally something like : " You said out loud what a lot of people think silently "

Boldly stated, Belial.
 
I haven't been apart of this community long enough for my words to mean anything, but I have read a great deal of this thread just to get an understanding of whats going on. There are some very plausible arugements and some that aren't plausible.

Above all I would agree whole heartedly with the idea of NOT banning hilde but limiting her to cage stages and wall stages only. (beliel you didnt mention that you'd win or have less of a hard time against hilde in cage, but I would like to know would that change anything for you?)
 
Hilde is broke on cage stages too. That's like cutting off Godzilla's tail. He's still gonna wreak havok wit his mouth and feet. Nigga's still gonna be spittin the flames at your ass, just without the collateral damage.
 
The community as a whole can move on from this. The east coast has already moved on. Now we just need everyone else to get on board with this. It's never too late because SC4 is still the best fighting game out there.

We have been using these rules for several months and they have been successful in my opinion. Something-Unique says otherwise, but we had people turnout to three tournaments in 3 straight weeks for this game, and maybe for the 4th straight week if people come out to Jian's tourney in CT. Plus people are having fun doing so because it's not easy to travel somewhere that is a few hours away just to play this game for the fun of it, and you have to keep people interested or else there won't be tournaments for this game at all, which then means no chedda for Something-Unique.

Sure you can promise people a big pot bonus to come out but only one person is going to win the bulk of that money, so there needs to be something for the rest of the people that are coming out. And if they aren't coming out for monthlies or have something going on in their region, it's crazy to think that they will show up for a major out of the blue.

Hilde in this game does not make it fun to play. Simple. If that wasn't the case, then you would still see people in other regions holding tournaments for this game. But people are doing things or playing games instead of this one and have made their decision already by quitting this game. Making this decision official has been long overdue, but better late than never, and now I am glad that it is done so people can stop bitching and go back to having fun playing this game because the only bitching that is going on is here on this forum.

And what good is keeping them in the game if people aren't showing up to compete against them in the first place? That is what is currently happening today if I am not mistaken. Where's all these people at stepping up to the challenge because they sure as hell did not come out to NEC or anywhere else for that matter. Outside of the east coast, there is no other region holding regular tournaments for this game. Where's people at stepping up to challenge RTD or Cedric?

And don't you think there is a reason why the east coast is still playing this game in tournaments when most of the country have stopped? Call it whatever, but people are not going to come out to a tournament if they are not having fun and have to deal with gay shit like Hilde.

But I hope that now people will be on board and move on because it's been long overdue and Namco is not doing shit to this game. My goal is to just see people play Calibur because fun will outlast everything else including money. This is also not going to start some ban happy movement. That's just people on the internet talking that mess. What this will do is end alot of bitching that has been going on since forever with this game.

And really, I don't care what people do as long as they play, however with most of the country is not having tournaments for this game and just limiting Hilde to cages doesn't go far enough to put the fun back in this game for people. If you are just limiting her to certain stages, then you might as well just ban her.

But the longer we go with not having a standard and with only one region still holding tournaments for this game, the longer this bs will continue. And if there was a better solution, people would be doing it by now. But stop hanging on to this character and using this as a means of contention and just move on.
 
I think the situation becomes complicated when you allow a character for almost 2 years and then ban them. The community should address any sign of brokeness instantly. That way people won't main a banned character and move on. I mean SC has a ton of characters to play, banning 1 or 2 wont cut the number of options much. Sometimes a truly skilled player will play a broke character and do well which is no surprise but when a player of only decent ability places over people who are much better than them it's pretty wrong. So even when Hilde doesn't win a tournament but places pretty high it will rub a lot of people the wrong way. So hopefully next time around if we a find a character with a full life juggle or one that rings out from any where on the map or anything that has the slightest appearance of being broke, we ban first and ask questions later, it's that simple.

But as for hear and now it's hard to say what is fair simply because players like RTD and Ceirnian are established top players, but then again will it affect the turnout and general enjoyment of the tournament on a grand scale...
 
Belial: Its a known fact that people are not as good with there seconds or whoever as there main though. Not the same amount of dedication just to name an example. So its a double edged sword in that there response could be a lie/excuse but it is also plausible that its not when they lose. There is nothing wrong in believing that said individual only wins cause of that character. That's ur belief but the fact is if u lose and they win well its obvious... U lost and said individual didn't. That is the end result.

The winner gets the bragging rights; the winner gets the cash; etc.
The loser gets no bragging rights; the loser gets no cash; the loser is forgotten; etc.
Competitors receive hate in a number of ways whether it be because they win, placed, lost, etc.

If that's the case which it is why not win; receive the bragging rights; receive the cash; and receive whatever hate or belief comes to u.

This game is 2 Years in and to decide banning is reckless. Their is such a thing as a code of ethics in life. There is none here but it is what it is.

Also lol one of the mods put the advertisement rate on my IP address for this site to max as I have an ad for everything now. Hahaha priceless. Keep it coming please.
 
We're not 2 years into this game. This game came out in late July of 2008 and August of 2009 is when we started using this ruleset. Plus alot have quit the game even before we reached a year into its life cycle, so by no means things are being decided through recklessness.

Ideally, you would want to get rid of gay shit in the beginning, but people argued that she wasn't broke, so she was allowed and democracy did not work as well. And while all this debate was going on, people just quit for something else because people are going to deal with something that is bullshit no matter what people say on a forum. And you don't have the amount of scrubs in this game to tell people to just deal with it because they will deal with things by just quitting. This ain't Street Fighter.

But I said all that I need to say. You guys can keep on debating or listen to someone who just shows up where the money is, but I will continue to have fun and keeping my scene alive. I'm just hoping to get more people on board, but I am moving on. Do the same. Thanks for reading.
 
Just wanted to mention ad problem solved. Now I have none Lol. Gimme somethin tougher.

10 people tournaments dont bring in cash Malice. Sorry to disappoint :)
 
Yeah yeah SU. Most of people point of view is done, I don't even know why you're still talking.

I support Jaxel entirely, and I hope Hilde will be banned in France too... and hopefully Cannes will be the last tournament with Hilde allowed.

Whatever you say, it doesn't change the fact that MOST of people are for the ban. The only people for Hilde are Hilde players (like you and most of US team haha), and few people who just enjoy the challenge of playing a broken character since you need to play perfectly. Playing against a good Hilde is like doing a superplay every single times, and however challenging as it may be, it's just boring as hell. You may win a few times but most of the time you won't and if you do, it's only because you just HEAVILY outclassed your opponent. That being said, I agree COMPLETELY with Belial, every single Hilde players wins only because of Hilde.

If I were to compare Hilde, it would be this : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881#

And mario would be your character.
 
sWoRD_LoRD said:
The problem is that most of you don't think intelligibly. It's much easier to make a quick decision and ban shit right away, then gradually, after folks do more testing and developing familiarity with certain shit while playing casually, decide if they want to unban it or not. The "if it's in the game, it's fair" mentality is beyond stupid. What if all of Hilde's moves were unblockable? People will say, "yea, she's beatable though, you just can't let her attack, and JI everything she does." Get outta here with that shit.
Click to expand...

No, it is easier to just allow everything and see how it plays out. Also, "if it's in the game it's fair" is incorrect because if you're playing fighting games and you want things to be fair, you shouldn't be playing fighting games at all cause it's never gonna be fair.
 
Maxou: The point of view is stupid to me. Not the player.

For example Omega dislikes the fuck out of Hilde but he is to pro and has accomplished dominance. SCIII hello and even now so utmost respect to him. The same respect goes out to Aris even though I don't know him. The rest are just complainers that I believe would complain about everything.

If it isn't Hilde its Amy, then Kilik and the cycle keeps going. This thread has achieved nothing though but the same shit all the other ones have. Organizers besides east coast still have not spoken.

Finally Maxou ur no Omega, Aris, etc so cry more. So.....

Psyloside: Ok I feel better.
 
SU : yeah,yeah, talk for nothing.

"This thread has achieved nothing though but the same shit all the other ones have. " this is true.
 
Something-Unique said:
Maxou: The point of view is stupid to me. Not the player.

For example Omega dislikes the fuck out of Hilde but he is to pro and has accomplished dominance. SCIII hello and even now so utmost respect to him. The same respect goes out to Aris even though I don't know him. The rest are just complainers that I believe would complain about everything.

If it isn't Hilde its Amy, then Kilik and the cycle keeps going. This thread has achieved nothing though but the same shit all the other ones have. Organizers besides east coast still have not spoken.
Finally Maxou ur no Omega, Aris, etc so cry more. So.....

Psyloside: Ok I feel better.
Click to expand...


I'm currently in the process of trying to re-organize and revive the Southern California scene, which pretty much died as a direct result of Hilde being allowed in tournaments. While I completely agree with you on principle, the simple fact of the matter is that I would rather be playing with other people with a sup-optimal rule set than be playing online and/or with the CPU.

Like many, I'm not sure if this new change will result in improved numbers for every community, but at this point I (and the rest of SoCal) have nothing to lose.

And while Maxou is no Aris, Aris did say something to the effect that Hilde/Algol ruined an otherwise perfect or near-perfect game.
 
^^^ This.

Some of us have been out there doing something instead of "talking" about it, as you can see.
Talk is cheap. The people who take action in the end will be the ones who are listened to, and rightly so.

-Idle
 
It is what is. I'll be at whatever tournament the cash prize looks nice at. Except Canada. Gotta support non whiners occasionally with or without cash. So get on with this amazing cash investments for SC.
 
Something-Unique said:
Maxou: The point of view is stupid to me. Not the player.

For example Omega dislikes the fuck out of Hilde but he is to pro and has accomplished dominance. SCIII hello and even now so utmost respect to him. The same respect goes out to Aris even though I don't know him. The rest are just complainers that I believe would complain about everything.

If it isn't Hilde its Amy, then Kilik and the cycle keeps going. This thread has achieved nothing though but the same shit all the other ones have. Organizers besides east coast still have not spoken.

Finally Maxou ur no Omega, Aris, etc so cry more. So.....

Psyloside: Ok I feel better.
Click to expand...

Still Omega stopped caring about the game because of Hilde, so yeah. Losing player of that caliber shouldn't happen, it's a shame.
 
Tiamat said:
"if it's in the game it's fair" is incorrect because if you're playing fighting games and you want things to be fair, you shouldn't be playing fighting games at all cause it's never gonna be fair.
Click to expand...
That's true. But then again, just because fighting games are unfair doesn't mean we absolutely have to compete at all costs, no matter how unreasonable. I mean, there's nothing wrong with using your judgment if you deem a character is too ridiculous to compete against. Everyone has their sense of where the line is drawn, and for most people Hilde crosses that line. Whether or not they are "good" enough to even speak out is a valid point. Perhaps we're all missing something and should take responsibility for our shortcomings and inability to beat Hilde. Or perhaps Belial is right, and there's nothing more to really know. As it is, we collectively feel the same way that Belial does. And sure, it's not easy to bring about change for the greater good, but worthwhile changes are supposed to require hard work and problem solving.

To backtrack a bit, I obviously admire people who stand by principles such as yourself. But it's just as important to strike a balance with those principles and life. Otherwise you become out of touch with reality/society because you insist on sticking to morals so much that you miss the value of the point at hand.
 
SU: I'm not going to speak for everyone else...but i am going to say this much.

Vints is right about what he's saying about you. It is admirable on what you're doing and what you're beliving in. Maybe i'll try to explain it this way.

Every character in every FG is going to have some dumb shit. Period. Jinpachi was dumb in DR, Jin was dumb in T4, Asta was stupid in SC3, Jax was dumb in MK2, Sagat is dumb in like EVERY game cept for CvS2 (to my knowledge, correct me if im wrong) But here's is what most people are having issues about.

In a FG, if you whiff, you deserves to be punished, that's a cardinal rule. And if close enough, you deserve to be rung out. But when a character catches a whiff, and carries you ACROSS a stage to get a RO. THAT alone will draw away some players. Had everyone see my point as far as banning the binds, i PROMISE you Hilde wouldn't be as much of an issue as she is now and has always been. Algol in itself is another issue. idc personally....(cept for the asta players...that shit sux) She's not so OVERPOWERED had she not had that combo. And she wouldn't have that combo if you would BAN THE BINDS, reason being is that if you obtained that combo, that's because your opponet didn't throw/attempt to throw you to make you break the charge. It's that simple. SC4 was made for risk/rewards. And the way it's designed CLEARLY shows people that.

Another example is amy's 1A. NEGATIVE on hit, but it's fast as shit and it's horizontal. UNSAFE ON BLOCK, meaning if you spam it enough, you get punished. It's all about check's and Balances. Hilde has to many Checks and not enough balences. Even whodat and i talked about this, let her have the combo, but in exchange, let her lose the +frames she has on block.

When it comes down to it, being carried across the stage for ONE whiff, that does present a problem for other players. Good or not. It give both the same consequence.

also, the reason why i present the banning of binds is because of regardless of character. I have one simple concept.

Soul calibur is played with 4 buttons. not 6, 8, 12. 4. A-B-K-G. yes, some do require a paired command. But that means TWO BUTTON COMMAND. not ONE BUTTON FOR TWO.. And since i can't half-ass a rule, then EVERYONE has to suffer. Simple
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom