SCV- New CHARACTER ideas

miyodarius said:
We have a heterosexual guy fighting alongside a flying wolf who pops out dimensions and a fortune teller who fights with a floating magic crystal ball...
SCREW YOUR REALISTIC CRICLE!
I hated Elena Design from Street Fighter 3rd strike, so I want to see something different.
And to prepare everyone, I'll be pushing everyone recommend character idea to be black. Just a heads up
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So what should they have? A big afro, platform shoes, and a disco ball as a weapon?

Or maybe a girl with cornrows, hoop earrings, and using bubble gum as a weapon?

Or maybe have them as slaves.

And sure my realistic "CIRCLE" is just fine stating the most reasonable approach to an African character who could have existed in the 1600s.

You may not like Elena's design, but point blank, some Africans do dress in that kind of attire. Not all, but some. Probably a good majority of them, especially during those times.
 
jtdam09 said:
So what should they have? A big afro, platform shoes, and a disco ball as a weapon?

Or maybe a girl with cornrows, hoop earrings, and using bubble gum as a weapon?
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That's racist... you should feel bad, cause I feel bad for you...
Oh yea, my post clearly stated "Not Realistic" and "Not Stereotypical" black characters should be included.
 
miyodarius said:
That's racist... you should feel bad, cause I feel bad for you...
Oh yea, my post clearly stated "Not Realistic" and "Not Stereotypical" black characters should be included.
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First of all, I am an African-American, so that whole "racist" card went right out of the window.

2nd, what would YOUR suggestion on a black person be then? Unless it's someone like Zasalamel, who doesn't even have a true origin to begin with because he reincarnates, you aren't going to expect a black character from the 16-17th century born from a selected country of the world outside of Africa (or United States) and have some miraculous appearance. Carribean doesn't count because those consisted of people from Africa.

Seeing as how, historically speaking, Europeans traveled to places like Japan, I can see why characters like Setsuka and Arthur are in the game, especially since they, or Arthur at least, was born in Europe.
 
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Your missing my point. We are playing a game that breaks the rules of realism. I don't really care too much about origin. I am content with Zasalamel story. Maybe you need a complicated reason why a African character is in the game, but I don't. It could be as simple as a African chick who has been traveling to find a strong fighter (please don't quote me on that)
And Elena in "Those times"? Street fighter 3rd strike isn't set in slavery time.
 
miyodarius said:
Your missing my point. We are playing a game that breaks the rules of realism. I don't really care too much about origin. I am content with Zasalamel story. Maybe you need a complicated reason why a African character is in the game, but I don't. It could be as simple as a African chick who has been traveling to find a strong fighter (please don't quote me on that)
And Elena in "Those times"? Street fighter 3rd strike isn't set in slavery time.
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And YOU are missing my point

What would your suggestion on an African character be then, as far as detailed appearances? Nothing wrong with an African chick traveling to find a strong fighter (even though I prefer male, but that's just me), but what about their appearance? What they wear? What their weapon is?

The only excuse of Viola and Z.W.E.I. even having the most miraculous appearance is because their origins are unknown. The same situation as Zasalamel was.

"Those times" refers to Soul Calibur's timeframe, but even then they could still be dressing like that as well in Street Fighter 3's timeframe. However, there are more options to clothing available in Africa. It is, however, not available in 17th century Africa.

P.S. "Maybe you need a complicated reason why a African character is in the game, but I don't." Not sure what you are trying to convey here. If you are referring to Zasalamel, his profile doesn't clearly state that he's from Africa. It just says that he's from an ancient tribe, and with his reincarnation abilities, he can reincarnate into anything.
 
It's hinted that Zasalamel came from Babylonian times (that one civilization, derp) and may have hailed from the same group that was entrusted with protecting Soul Calibur, so he's not "black", per say, only his most recent incarnation is.
 
Fatal_Exodus said:
It's hinted that Zasalamel came from Babylonian times (that one civilization, derp) and may have hailed from the same group that was entrusted with protecting Soul Calibur, so he's not "black", per say, only his most recent incarnation is.
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The hints are all there to support this - his whole move-list is named after Babylonian gods and godesses, which means technically speaking, modern-day Iraq.

I think an awesome Zulu warrior would be amazing - and why not? They are just the historical cultural counterparts to the knights and samurai of Europe and Japan, so I don't see any prejudice in that.

Also, even nowadays, countries like Kenya and Tanzania still have tribes living much as they did for the last thousand years - and they are very proud of it. The maasai people (below), would be a great design basis for a warrior from Africa. Why does "tribal" have to equate to racism????
Zasalamel might be a black guy, but his design is far more Egyptian/middle eastern inspired, especially his weapon, which is designed to look like the head of Thoth, the ibis-headed god.

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Come back to this topic

Watching SCV cast go on,i fix my wishes to make them fit with the actual scenario

-a not-Voldish italian was my first hope,i got Ezio. OK
-a simple "european sword" char was one of my hopes, we got Zwei. I find Zwei horrible(one of the few fail of the actually awesome SCV) for both design and pokemon thing,BUT, at this point another char will be redundant as weapon variety,at this point i prefer give space to new weapons. Great chance wasted

What i think may push variety on the actual cast
-A fatass.Very fat and round,wich use his weight as advantage. SC never had one and is a FG classic,like big muscle grapplers and big bewbs bitches. Maybe with flail,so we get new type of char and new type of weapon at the same time

-An african hot babe. I'm confident Zasa will return,so at this point i feel more the need of a female black char.
Also i will like her use spear and big shield,most iconic african style. As for the fatass, new category of char,new style at the same time

-what they want,the two above + the chars i think are going to return,make yet a epic variety cast.
Minor wishes? Maybe a viking type or a russian char(i will like east ice cold badassery Dragunov style)
Maybe another "animal" type of fighter if Liz is out
 
With all this talk of Africans and Zulu warriors going around, I thought I'd put in my two cents.

Let me start by saying that I fully back this idea! I think it would be epic for SC to represent more of the world beyond Europe. But the reason why it isn't happening atm is probably because of the image SC is trying to portray.
Look at our European and Japanese reps, respectively knights and samurai. The whole world accepts these as cool, badass, awesome etc. etc. Probably, a Zulu doesn't have the kind of... how to put it... appeal that the others do.

This is not the fault of the culture or anything, it's just that people aren't used to it. Why do you think SC has only one black character (who isn't even openly declared black) Not to mention a majority of other fighters as well. Give me one mainstream FG which has more blacks than whites (gosh, I feel like these terms are derogatory, is there a better way to say it?)

So that's my opinion on why Namco is toeing away from what is actually a rich culture and heritage (Africa, India, Persia etc.) Sum it up : They're not used to it.

(But I hope Namco proves me wrong)
 
KiraxSummers said:
With all this talk of Africans and Zulu warriors going around, I thought I'd put in my two cents.

Let me start by saying that I fully back this idea! I think it would be epic for SC to represent more of the world beyond Europe. But the reason why it isn't happening atm is probably because of the image SC is trying to portray.
Look at our European and Japanese reps, respectively knights and samurai. The whole world accepts these as cool, badass, awesome etc. etc. Probably, a Zulu doesn't have the kind of... how to put it... appeal that the others do.

This is not the fault of the culture or anything, it's just that people aren't used to it. Why do you think SC has only one black character (who isn't even openly declared black) Not to mention a majority of other fighters as well. Give me one mainstream FG which has more blacks than whites (gosh, I feel like these terms are derogatory, is there a better way to say it?)

So that's my opinion on why Namco is toeing away from what is actually a rich culture and heritage (Africa, India, Persia etc.) Sum it up : They're not used to it.

(But I hope Namco proves me wrong)
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100% agree - there seems to be a worry about offending certain countries, but I bet they'd be so pleased they finally had a rep! Turkish fighter Hakan in SF4 was a great way to introduce a new country to that series, and was met with a generally positive response from Turkish fans I asked at the time. Same with Juri, Capcom's first Korean character.

I will literally vomit if they create any more "unknown origin" characters - it's so boring, and one of the reasons that Zwei (imo) is so jarring. If they'd said he was a Celtic (Scots or Irish) warrior, it would have at least grounded him in reality a little more - the patterns on his outfit are reminiscent of Celtic knot-work too.

It depends on how they presented the Zulu warrior - if he/she was a badass, with a great weapon, cool move list and interesting story, he/she could be really well recieved. As an example, Elena (Kenya) has been a bit of a slow-burner, but she's now thought of fondly by the SF fanbase, and received a good deal of requests for inclusion in SSF4 (she just missed out to Makoto, according to the developers).

The world isn't limited to Eurasia! The Indian subcontinent, North and South America, Africa and Australasia (maybe a little tricky, as it wasn't known to the world at large in 1600) are all ripe for designers to create some great reps!
 
KiraxSummers said:
With all this talk of Africans and Zulu warriors going around, I thought I'd put in my two cents.

Let me start by saying that I fully back this idea! I think it would be epic for SC to represent more of the world beyond Europe. But the reason why it isn't happening atm is probably because of the image SC is trying to portray.
Look at our European and Japanese reps, respectively knights and samurai. The whole world accepts these as cool, badass, awesome etc. etc. Probably, a Zulu doesn't have the kind of... how to put it... appeal that the others do.

This is not the fault of the culture or anything, it's just that people aren't used to it.
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The problems are probably 2

-in european and japanese case probably the thing is about feel and recognize the characters as "your".
As italian i'm epic glad about Ezio, a german probably can be greatest fan of Sieg and we all know how japanese love theyr samurai & ninjas. You recognize your country culture in it,and you like it even more
The SC black audience is probably nearly all from USA,Europe and around the world,but i don't think many africans.
Maybe still many of them are anyway fan of a badass tribal warrior idea,and maybe recognize in it theyr ancestors.
But maybe others refuse it for reason that i don't want analyze, i remembers epic bs discussion about it a couple of months ago,with some epic nonsense in it

-Namco probably want just avoid as possible accusation of racism,even the bs nonsense ones.
Plus watching theyr media (anime/manga/VG) japanese are'nt exactly best fans of black people
Basically they don't feel so much the need of them+they know that at the first "error" creating one they can activate a shitstorm of accuses,flame,bad image and so on. This is why they're hesitant about it.

Personally i hope they take whining nonsense for what it is and put in a badass tribal warrior (female or male).
It will bring in more etnic variety in a cast nearly totally european-asian,and i think that if cool and charismatic i don't see why the "black audience" can't like it... sure,somebody will ever be against something(in this case recognize african tribes as legit cultures),but if they must care about every complain they will do nothing. Plus will be coherent with SC style and age,and can offer many nice chara design choices and an unique style,different from usual european warriors or asian martial arts. And last but not last,imho african,middle-east and indian culture deserve a place in SC,are the biggest etnic lack of SC cast,big pieces of world culture out without a reason

But i end here,last time the nonsense discussion about this lasted 3 days :D
 
KiraxSummers said:
Well I doubt that myself and Bailster would do something like that but racism is touchy so yeah, carry on with the ideas :)
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In fact from you and Bailster nonsense never arrive,only good post in my humble opinion :D
But discussion is open to all,and i've yet read massive bullshit about tribal african culture being inferior-offensive-zomg-do-not-want,and honestly i hope to not see again that :D
 
Gatsu said:
In fact from you and Bailster nonsense never arrive,only good post in my humble opinion :D
But discussion is open to all,and i've yet read massive bullshit about tribal african culture being inferior-offensive-zomg-do-not-want,and honestly i hope to not see again that :D
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Thanks mate - likewise! :D
 
KiraxSummers said:
'Nuff with the shields already :P I wouldn't mind if they brought in something totally unique like Tira's ringblade or Ivy's snake sword. With that said, I should probably hold my tongue. Recently, 'unique' has become synonymous with 'weird' (See : Zwei + Ein)
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Duel wielding rubber chickens, and for the joke weapon, some sort of live chicken!

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KiraxSummers said:
With all this talk of Africans and Zulu warriors going around, I thought I'd put in my two cents.

Let me start by saying that I fully back this idea! I think it would be epic for SC to represent more of the world beyond Europe. But the reason why it isn't happening atm is probably because of the image SC is trying to portray.
Look at our European and Japanese reps, respectively knights and samurai. The whole world accepts these as cool, badass, awesome etc. etc. Probably, a Zulu doesn't have the kind of... how to put it... appeal that the others do.

This is not the fault of the culture or anything, it's just that people aren't used to it. Why do you think SC has only one black character (who isn't even openly declared black) Not to mention a majority of other fighters as well. Give me one mainstream FG which has more blacks than whites (gosh, I feel like these terms are derogatory, is there a better way to say it?)

So that's my opinion on why Namco is toeing away from what is actually a rich culture and heritage (Africa, India, Persia etc.) Sum it up : They're not used to it.

(But I hope Namco proves me wrong)
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I believe it is a great opportunity f0r them to create an African character, along with Indian, anything besides European as we have much of them already.

I do not think they "aren't used to it", Africa has had alot of appealing warriors. Maybe they will suprise us, maybe not. Lets hope that they will throw some diversity in yhere.
 
I see all this zulu warrior and persian warrior requests when i careless about ethnic diversity between the cast and more about Weapon diversity between the cast. I guess im not that hung up on where people are from but what they are bringing to the table. Prior to joining this site i only knew who the japanese characters where because its blatantly obvious. Basing every character from a set place limits their creativity or else we would have never had the awesome style of Zwei(terrible design)
 
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