Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Ardenwolf said:
To people complaining about boob plate. People wore giant crotch pieces back then to represent giant crotches. The did this to represent their sexual prowess, the men thought it was sexy.

If women in armor was normal back then instead of stupidly rare, and if they thought adding boobs enhanced the female sexuality and women warriors thought it made them sexier and they could afford it, you can bet your ass wealthier women would have boob plate for the eact same reason stupid sized cod pieces existed.

Now women warriors were rare, and they didn't have modern sexual tastes, so... yeah...

Boob plate is not bad for the reasons people insist though. The shape makes negligible difference to survival, and there are many examples of armor designed to enhance sexuality despite being entirely absurd and helpful in no way.

Were armor made with modern aesthetics boob plate would exist. In fact it does exist for that very reason.
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sytus said:
This is a good observation for everyone to consider.
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I mean...y'all are posting this as if it wouldn't also be fucking terrible for a male character to be revealed with a massive, protruding codpiece. Yeah, people did it. That doesn't make it look any better. lol
 
Nyte said:
Since when has Soulcalibur been about historical accuracy?
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Funnily enough as we delve deeper into history about the subject of sexual armour these exaggerated aesthetics are more grounded in reality than most people think. If anything the idea that historical armor was primarily practical is actually more a modern era perception. Watch this video on the matter, it's lengthy but a fascinating eye opener on how a lot of real armor was sexualized and used as political weapons among nobles.

 
I have no idea how it is going to be possible to do Haohmaru without making him fight nearly identically to Mitsurugi...they could give him setsuka's moveset but that wouldn't really be true to the character. Mitsurugi and Haohmaru share a lot of the same style of move. Anyone want to take a STAB at predicting how they will make Haohmaru unique?

Hilde - Again it's been hinted at in the base game with all of the mention of Wolfkrone and I do believe this means that they won't do a character that has had no buildup whatsoever. If anything I'm sure Azwel story wise is going to be responsible for Ein by the end of her story line. I still hold firm in the theory that Zwei and Ein are Groh and the King of Wolfkrone; which would tie Zwei from 5 into a bunch of plot threads. We already saw Amy as Viola and I believe they are doing something similar here.

I think Setsuka's journey of delivering the letter prior to her Master's death could be the basis for her story pretty easily. I'm not horribly fond of her fighting style personally but I do think she has the highest chance of making it in based on their female dlc track record so far. She could also easily fit the soul edge or neutral alignment pretty easily. I think there is a good chance that with Seong Mi-na already being pink in this game that they'll color code her to white or gray or even red to make her stand out a bit more. Hell the color might not even be anything more than the color of her umbrella...

It's really now that final character that is an unknown. It would make sense for it to be Yun-Seong or Hwang given everything we know and the popularity of those characters and that fighting style but there is also a chance that they would save those characters for a third season of dlc. I don't personally believe that SCVI will get a third season but perhaps sales for season pass 2 will prove me wrong.

I think a November/December release for the next season pass beginning would make sense and then they would release another character every 2 1/2 months leading up to EVO at the end of July/early August. They could space the cosmetic dlc or even stages in between each character release.
 
Since SC don't need historical accuracy so I demand Hwang/Yun-seong wearing this..
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To be fair Soul Calibur is already a historical fantasy series complete with magic, lizard people, evil Jesus, and vampire/demon/zombies/ and that's not including the sentient/possessed/demonic/angelic swords the story is based around people fighting over. To say nothing of the mystical creature known only as Voldo.
 
It would be cool if Groh and Zwei were related or one in the same (although, I don’t want to lose a moveset). But, it seems as though Groh is Nordic while Zwei is German.That doesn’t seem to make their relationship impossible though: Neither Groh nor Zwei talk about/ remember their past. So, there should be more story to write : ). Also, in this Soul Calibur game, there seems to be a lot going on in Germany: Hilde, Azwel, Siegfried, Zwei. Maybe it is a coincidence? Or, maybe, they will be tied together.
 
Don't get Dante started on that...

Anyways, the genre of the series is fantasy -- it's meant to be unrealistic!
 
sytus said:
If anything the idea that historical armor was primarily practical is actually more a modern era perception.
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Eh, no offense intended my friend, but that's nonsense. I guarantee you that in the history of warfare, not only were 99.999999999999999999% of items of armour made for actual combat designed with practical protection as the "primary" concern, but the vast, vast, vast majority also had very little in the way of ornamentation. If you were wearing plate armour in particular, you were very briefly about to be right in the shit, and you wanted that stuff to be as practical as possible--balanced for strength and mobility, down to the ounce. Neither a few historical instances of the gentry making art out of armour (that was unlikely to ever be tested in battle), nor adding flamboyant flourishes to mostly practical armour changes the overwhelming trends in the craft.

Yes, by the 17th and 18th century, as heavy armour was losing its utility in light of evolving forms of mass warfare, it also began to become more ornate--precisely because its role was becoming more symbolic--but the stuff that went into battle did not follow these artistic memes, unless the wearer had a death wish or no sense of perspective. And there's absolutely no reason not to believe that any common soldier who saw dick armour didn't deride it as fully as we are mocking tit armour here and now: I refer you back to my earlier comments on the matter.

Nyte said:
Since when has Soulcalibur been about historical accuracy?
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You seem to still be missing the point: it's not that anyone here expects a high level of historical authenticity from Soulcalibur. In so many ways, the franchise is the antithesis of that. Nor is it that we can't conceive of an alternate history where titty/cock-and-balls armour was done more liberally, for whatever social reasons (presumably, wealthy powerful people having far too much money and time and far too little connection to reality, which is how the few actual historical examples of dick armour came about). It's just that when it did happen, it was a silly, dumb thing that was worthy of mockery. And it still is today, with regard to fictional analogs. One cannot just hand-wave with the word "fantasy" and then suddenly everything in a given work is immune from derision, because its not real. Jar Jar Binks is also not real, and not rooted in reality in the least, but that doesn't make his very existence less risible. See how that works?

And yeah, Hilde's ornamental breasts are a fart in a hurricane when it comes to the ridiculous mish-mash of pseudo-historical aesthetics that is Soulcalibur's character design, of course. I don't think anyone else here feels otherwise. For that matter, I can think of at least two previous CaS armour pieces that have done this in the past. It just happens to be generating a lot of commentary right now because Hilde's new armour has a lot of people chortling or rolling their eyes, depending on how used to it they are. I personally find it completely silly, but its such a worn trope in pop fantasy at this point that there's rarely any point in commenting upon it. But if we are going to talk about it, there should be a great deal of humour involved, and if people are going to try to suggest that this sort of thing makes some kind of sense, and in doing so vastly overstate the case for historical precedent, those details should be corrected, for the edification of all.
 
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Here's the only explanation I can give for Hilde's armor;

It's ceremonial (or possibly just gilded) and not meant to actually work like proper armor. A lot of people are complaining about it being boob armor but more than anything they should be criticizing the fact that it's gold armor. Despite what a lot of people think gold armor is a terrible idea as not only is it very soft but it is also extremely heavy. Most people that attempted it did not survive any battles they encountered.

That said however if there is any character that could wear ceremonial armor and not die it would be the ring-out princess herself. Who cares if what she is wearing is just meant to inspire the troops they have to be able to touch her to actually hurt her.
 
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kyrt said:
Here's the only explanation I can give for Hilde's armor;

It's ceremonial (or gilded) and not meant to actually work like proper armor. A lot of people are complaining about it being boob armor but more than anything they should be criticizing the fact that it's gold armor.
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That's a really good point, though I think you've confused the meaning of "gilded" there a little: the term does not refer to solid gold works, but rather those with a top layer of gold enamel: the extremely rare instances of actual historical "gold armor" were exactly this: it would be the very rare historical figure indeed who would have enough gold laying around to make a piece that size out of it. The material could also argubaly be brass, from that colour, though brass would not be much less impractical than gold. But presuming it is meant to be solid gold, you're absolutely right--that would be a significantly greater design issue than breasts. Not because gold is 'malleable' per say, but because it has very weak tensile strength and (crucially) very poor compressive strength, relative to alternatives. Actually, the maleability is actually something of a benefit (albeit one not nearly worth the drawbacks) since it makes the material easier to forge and mold.

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  2. Corsesca & Broadsword
  3. Lance & Ring Dagger
  4. Eisonowaki & Kandachi (from SC IV)
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Bitchin': that surcoat (not pictured above but you can see it if you follow the link) is going to come in real handy. And they gave her Giardot's jousting lance, hahahaha! And a guisarme and a glaive--interesting! Of course, those last two are not at all consistent with her thrusting use of that weapon, but I like the variety all the same. Anyone else notice that the boots/grieves are a reworked variation of a set from SCIV (I'll look for the name)?
 
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Rusted Blade said:
Eh, no offense intended my friend, but that's nonsense. I guarantee you that in the history of warfare, not only were 99.999999999999999999% of items of armour made for actual combat designed with practical protection as the "primary" concern, but the vast, vast, vast majority also had very little in the way of ornamentation. If you were wearing plate armour in particular, you were very briefly about to be right in the shit, and you wanted that stuff to be as practical as possible--balanced for strength and mobility, down to the ounce. Neither a few historical instances of the gentry making art out of armour (that was unlikely to ever be tested in battle), nor adding flamboyant flourishes to mostly practical armour changes the overwhelming trends in the craft.

Yes, by the 17th and 18th century, as heavy armour was losing its utility in light of evolving forms of mass warfare, it also began to become more ornate--precisely because its role was becoming more symbolic--but the stuff that went into battle did not follow these artistic memes, unless the wearer had a death wish or no sense of perspective. And there's absolutely no reason not to believe that any common soldier who saw dick armour didn't deride it as fully as we are mocking tit armour here and now: I refer you back to my earlier comments on the matter.


You seem to still be missing the point: it's not that anyone here expects a high level of historical authenticity from Soulcalibur. In so many ways, the franchise is the antithesis of that. Nor is it that we can't conceive of an alternate history where titty/cock-and-balls armour was done more liberally, for whatever social reasons (presumably, wealthy powerful people having far too much money and time and far too little connection to reality, which is how the few actual historical examples of dick armour came about). It's just that when it did happen, it was a silly, dumb thing that was worthy of mockery. And it still is today, with regard to fictional analogs. One cannot just hand-wave with the word "fantasy" and then suddenly everything in a given work is immune from derision, because its not real. Jar Jar Binks is also not real, and not rooted in reality in the least, but that doesn't make his very existence less risible. See how that works?

And yeah, Hilde's ornamental breasts are a fart in a hurricane when it comes to the ridiculous mish-mash of pseudo-historical aesthetics that is Soulcalibur's character design, of course. I don't think anyone else here feels otherwise. For that matter, I can think of at least two previous CaS armour pieces that have done this in the past. It just happens to be generating a lot of commentary right now because Hilde's new armour has a lot of people chortling or rolling their eyes, depending on how used to it they are. I personally find it completely silly, but its such a worn trope in pop fantasy at this point that there's rarely any point in commenting upon it. But if we are going to talk about it, there should be a great deal of humour involved, and if people are going to try to suggest that this sort of thing makes some kind of sense, and in doing so vastly overstate the case for historical precedent, those details should be corrected, for the edification of all.
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You mean a vocal minority of people? I've been around and most people love her new design.
 
LisaK said:
Hilde: Creations parts :sc4hil1:
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  1. Glänzende Nova & Frischer Himmel
  2. Corsesca & Broadsword
  3. Lance & Ring Dagger
  4. Eisonowaki & Kandachi (from SC IV)
  5. New Weapon (丈八蛇矛)
  6. Scorpion
  7. New Weapon (ゲイ・ジャルグ＆モラルタ)
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Damn, didn't expect all this. Was kinda hoping the armor and dress would be separate but other than that, I'm liking how all of this is split up. There's quite a bit to work with here.

Edit: scratch that, didn't click the link before. Armor-less dress is an option!
 
I don't mind Hilde's new design but it definitely was not made with real world combat in mind. I am perfectly okay with that and look forward to playing her...I highly doubt though that the season pass will release on the 28th of November because of it being a holiday for a major region. If Sony still updates on Tuesdays however the 26th is a more likely possibility if they plan to have it out in November.
 
Nyte said:
You mean a vocal minority of people? I've been around and most people love her new design.
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I love her new design. As far as I can tell, most of the people making fun of the tit-plate (who are not in the minority here) also love her design. But that doesn't mean every little part of it is immune from criticism/mirth. For that matter, even if a thousand people thought the design was incomporably flawless, that still wouldn't meaning anything as an objective matter.

kyrt said:
I don't mind Hilde's new design but it definitely was not made with real world combat in mind. I am perfectly okay with that and look forward to playing her...I highly doubt though that the season pass will release on the 28th of November because of it being a holiday for a major region. If Sony still updates on Tuesdays however the 26th is a more likely possibility if they plan to have it out in November.
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Well, in that same region, holiday commercialism ramps up at the end of that same day: more gifts and luxury goods are sold on Black Friday weekend than any other weekend of the year in the U.S. and for nearly the last decade, gaming platforms and publishers have leapt into this sales culture with Black Friday specials. That's clearly the point of having the discounts that we already know are (for some regions at least, and presumably including the U.S.) scheduled for the 28th. To my mind it makes a certain amount of sense to have Hilde out by then so that they are dangling two carrots for the season pass as soon as it goes live: the price break and the first content release. Mind you, it still might be too early for their preferred schedule to release Hilde then, but I'd think that if she is coming in November, they could do worse than that date. Then again, you might be right insofar as they could be concerned that initial sales hype will suffer as a result of people being engaged with family and such, in which case perhaps the 29th makes more sense (since Namco cannot control the exact hour at which particular platforms release content).
 
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Rusted Blade said:
Eh, no offense intended my friend, but that's nonsense. I guarantee you that in the history of warfare, not only were 99.999999999999999999% of items of armour made for actual combat designed with practical protection as the "primary" concern, but the vast, vast, vast majority also had very little in the way of ornamentation. If you were wearing plate armour in particular, you were very briefly about to be right in the shit, and you wanted that stuff to be as practical as possible--balanced for strength and mobility, down to the ounce. Neither a few historical instances of the gentry making art out of armour (that was unlikely to ever be tested in battle), nor adding flamboyant flourishes to mostly practical armour changes the overwhelming trends in the craft.
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I get the impression you haven't watched the video because your response here really doesn't reflect the context of when I speak of sexualized armor, if you did you would know that real world European armour we are all accustomed to today is actually sexualized and if there were just as many women in the art of war as there were men then we would have more female pieces of armour in line with the codpiece. Don't get the impression that I'm saying a lot of armor made back then was form over function, I'm saying that many super rich hierarchy wars were won with fully functioning armour with sexual designs at banquets not battle fields. Keep in mind that we're plebs where this mindset of superiority through iconography is largely alien to us so this point of history is bound to get overlooked by the majority of people especially considering how long ago events like that happened.

Seriously watch the video, the history of aesthetic armor such as added sexual designs is deeply fascinating.
 
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