Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

I had a dream last night that Yun-seong’s trailer came out and it was basically an extension of Talim’s trailer and that he was wearing a new version of his SCIV 1P. Sad to know that that wasn’t the case when I woke up (・∀・)
 
KageKazenami said:
Far as I've seen, 1B also does it on hit. Pretty sure there's also another attack I'm not sure of the input on that's an overhead and then it activates on the landing from the jump during/after/whichever it is. Wouldn't be surprised if more moves do it than have been found though. I'm expecting in at least a fair number of characters' cases, we won't see the full movelists for certain until launch.
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I think its 66B (or is it A+B) with the jump overhead thing.

As for characters, I don't get this "tira is certain" stuff at all. It's a sc1/2 back to roots game. I'd put her super high on a DLC list with Sets and Hilde, but base game..why? Like yeah she's popular and unique but that doesn't give her better odds making it before characters who were actually playable in SC1/2.

I could see it but I wouldn't bet on it.

Voldo, Astaroth, Cervantes are 0 doubt to me.

Asta being in means rock becomes super unlikely unless DLC. Of all the similar styles I feel like rock was never even cared about by the devs.

Lizardman is in images so it's safe to assume he made it, and it makes sense ( i think he's less iconic than the above 3 so I could somehow see him just being a enemy only reskin or something, but the SC system also makes perfect sense for him).

raph and yun (or hwang, not both) are again fairly iconic styles. You're going to have someone with a rapier ( i don't think amy is likely at all unless they viola her, which is probably the better move because that style is unique for the game)


Looking at the two slots left I really can't imagine the game only having one new character, and nothing about Tira screams "oh clearly she'll be in the game" vs someone like Mi-na who would actually have story ties with Hwang/Yun and was in the original game.
 
This is great lol
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Ok how about somebody do a poll for the style they enjoy along with a poll for which character the person likes most, that's also along side a poll for characters they think are most integral to the current story. Style gets one vote, favorite character gets one vote, importance gets multiple votes.

This should get us what people want, why, and what changes need to be made to get the most happy.

I suspect in the Raph/Amy debate that Raph will win on importance, they'll be roughly tied on favorite, and Amy will win on style.

That Amy will likely win on style is why so many get pissed about the Amy being Viola thing. An awesome fun style of rapier is made, but instead of keeping that style it's replaced with Viola and we're stuck with Raphael's style which fewer people enjoy playing. Clearly the compromize is to bring bring Raphael's style more in line with Amy's.
 
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Eji1700 said:
raph and yun (or hwang, not both) are again fairly iconic styles.
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More than Tira's? The really unique bi-polar hula hoop-style that you can't find anywhere else? She's more popular than both of them too, this isn't like Hilde or Setsuka who have their huge fans but ultimately are fairly niche, Tira's a top 10 character (and she was in SCV so you can't write it off as people hoping for their return like Talim or Zas).

And of course assuming Mina's in due to the Hwang/Yun connection would require one of those to be in first, and if there's any remaining style that wouldn't be missed much it's Hwang's (if anything his style is least iconic of the series, Dynasty Warriors is what that weapon is iconic for).

Again it's not a 'back to the roots' game. Changing your mind from 'it's SC1 only' to 'it's SC1/2 only' is pretty silly when there's already a SC3 character in the game, and they're not going to include Zas but leave out Tira.
 
tirakai said:
The thing is, the 12 votes combined with that really messes with the rankings of less important/non-face characters.

For example it's possible everyone in that poll's absolute favourite character is either Amy, Rock, or Viola (their votes total to more than Ivy's after all), but they're all the types of characters where if they're not one of your favourites you're probably not going to include them as a must have.

whereas Ivy by comparison is a face of the series, even a lot of people who don't like her will still put her in their votes since you can't have a SC game without her (there's 12 votes after all, and I'd bet most people don't keep careful track of favourites that deep). Even if not a single person there puts Ivy among their top favourite characters she'd still be high since when you've got 12 votes you might as well include the important characters, whether you personally care about them or not.

You see the problems with that poll now? Giving people 12 votes that are all equal weight means you don't see who's actually incredibly popular and who's just liked enough to fill the last couple votes for the sake of using all of them, since a character who half the fans put at #1 and half hate would rank lower than a character everyone thinks is okay and should probably be there but maybe hangs around 11th or 12th in their favourites.
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You're creating scenarios in which you have no proof of any thing like that actually occuring. I'm looking at this at face value instead of assuming things that may or may not be true.

This is essentially "pick your dream roster" in poll form. Just because someone offhandedly picks Ivy in there 10th or 12th slot doesn't mean it was because she's suppose to be in, they could simply like her design or enjoy watching her gameplay. I don't use or really ever plan on using Setsuka, but I like her character and would vote for her in this poll. No she's not my FAVORITE character but I'd want her in.

Either way, these type of polls generally work well to gauge the popularity of stuff. A good comparison is major sport All Star voting polls like the NBA All Star game fan polls. You get 10 selections to vote for which athletes you'd like to see participate in the game. Some casuals probably fill their ballot with the usual big names but if it was just braindead voting the same people would get in every time. Thats not the case. In the end their is never any contention on whether the top players selected are the most popular in the NBA during that year.

Like I said before, the results are very similar to the facebook poll if you look at the top 20 results, if it was completely different then I'd say you have a point.
 
100Percent said:
You're creating scenarios in which you have no proof of any thing like that actually occuring. I'm looking at this at face value instead of assuming things that may or may not be true.

This is essentially "pick your dream roster" in poll form. Just because someone offhandedly picks Ivy in there 10th or 12th slot doesn't mean it was because she's suppose to be in, they could simply like her design or enjoy watching her gameplay. I don't use or really ever plan on using Setsuka, but I like her character and would vote for her in this poll. No she's not my FAVORITE character but I'd want her in.

Either way, these type of polls generally work well to gauge the popularity of stuff. A good comparison is major sport All Star voting polls like the NBA All Star game fan polls. You get 10 selections to vote for which athletes you'd like to see participate in the game. Some casuals probably fill their ballot with the usual big names but if it was just braindead voting the same people would get in every time. Thats not the case. In the end their is never any contention on whether the top players selected are the most popular in the NBA during that year.

Like I said before, the results are very similar to the facebook poll if you look at the top 20 results, if it was completely different then I'd say you have a point.
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Why half-ass things, have polls gauging multiple choices. The main reason these polls suck, is they gauge 1 aspect which leaves a lot to be desired.

Like with Raph/Amy, I personally think he's more integral to the plot, I see a place for both characters though I like Amy more cause I'm slightly biased towards female characters, and hate Raph's style and Amy is by far my favorite style ever.

So what 1 question would supply that information? None, it requires three for an accurate picture of what people actually want.
 
Lia said:
Absolute tangent but Groh will never be anything but Cao Pi to me, even if "Darth Maul but anime" was probably more their inspiration.
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I agree, but I see grøh more as Cao pi's edgy weeaboo cousin. Can't lie though he has started grøh-ing on me (sorry but I had to). But yea Cao pi all the way
 
Ardenwolf said:
Why half-ass things, have polls gauging multiple choices. The main reason these polls suck, is they gauge 1 aspect which leaves a lot to be desired.

Like with Raph/Amy, I personally think he's more integral to the plot, I see a place for both characters though I like Amy more cause I'm slightly biased towards female characters, and hate Raph's style and Amy is by far my favorite style ever.

So what 1 question would supply that information? None, it requires three for an accurate picture of what people actually want.
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Again, since this isn't confirming your biases, you're trying to completely disregard it as a bad poll. If amy finished top 5 you'd have 0 issue with this poll thats essentially asking "who do you want in this game". It's an effective question, no its not perfect but we have the facebook poll to tell us more about what the community wants as well.
 
When you're thinking icons and symbols of the series consider how you'd describe it to someone who's sure they know it but are maybe blanking out on trying to give details.

if you say 'it's that series with the busty dominatrix with the whip-sword / the freaky old man in bondage / the evil knight with a giant flesh claymore with eyes / the crazy chick who fights with a bladed hula hoop / the ninja woman who's basically just wearing body paint' you're not going to conjure up any image but soul calibur.

What's iconic about Raphael or Yun or Hwang? What about them would make you think 'yeah that's definitely Soul Calibur'? Contemptuous noble vampires are everywhere and Hwang and Yun are just a couple normal guys with a normal sword.
 
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tirakai said:
When you're thinking icons and symbols of the series consider how you'd describe it to someone who's sure they know it but are maybe blanking out on trying to give details.

if you say 'it's that series with the busty dominatrix with the whip-sword / the freaky old man in bondage / the evil knight with a giant flesh claymore with eyes / the crazy chick who fights with a bladed hula hoop / the ninja woman who's basically just wearing body paint' you're not going to conjure up any image but soul calibur.

What's iconic about Raphael or Yun or Hwang? Contemptuous noble vampires are everywhere and Hwang and Yun are just a couple normal guys with a normal sword.
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What point are you trying to make here? I could say the same about all but 6 or 7 characters in Soul Calibur.
 
100Percent said:
Again, since this isn't confirming your biases, you're trying to completely disregard it as a bad poll. If amy finished top 5 you'd have 0 issue with this poll thats essentially asking "who do you want in this game". It's an effective question, no its not perfect but we have the facebook poll to tell us more about what the community wants as well.
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Actually I'd prefer to be able to give an accurate answer as it makes a difference.

For example I prefer Amy's Style before anything else. I do not want Amy as Viola and I do not Want Raphael's style. The only reason I dislike Raphael is he has the inferior Rapier style. I'm primarily a CaS player. For me a style poll and character poll ends in drastically different results, in some cases near opposite. Amy as a character is barely better than Raph, and only because Raph isn't female so very slight. Though that is linked to style as well. I prefer making female characters so that slight difference is negated soon as each style has a masculine a feminine version in CaS.

Give Raph a style closer to Amy and give me a choice of Raph and Amy I'll choose Raph cause Raph is more important to the story.

The issue is since Style is most important to me, I'm stuck voting for Amy in any poll where she's the only option and nothing else is considered.
 
Ardenwolf said:
Actually I'd prefer to be able to give an accurate answer as it makes a difference.

For example I prefer Amy's Style before anything else. I do not want Amy as Viola and I do not Want Raphael's style. The only reason I dislike Raphael is he has the inferior Rapier style. I'm primarily a CaS player. For me a style poll and character poll ends in drastically different results, in some cases near opposite. Amy as a character is barely better than Raph, and only because Raph isn't female so very slight.

Give Raph a style closer to Amy and give me a choice of Raph and Amy I'll choose Raph cause Raph is more important to the story.

The issue is since Style is most important to me, I'm stuck voting for Amy in any poll where she's the only option and nothing else is considered.
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Thats fair I guess. Important to remember that any poll at this point might favor characters who are looking less likely to get in the game more than the characters who have been announced. I could see Cass style being higher on that list than Sophi for that reason.
 
I think some of the recent comments in this thread are very illustrative of the challenge facing the development team in choosing the base roster: everyone who plays this game has a variety of preferences when it comes to who they want to play as and why, and gamers prioritize these choices differently based on whether they're straight up playing the game, making stuff in CAS, going through the story mode, etc.
It's a lot to take into consideration for the development team.
 
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