Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

[Ardenwolf]

I think some of the recent comments in this thread are very illustrative of the challenge facing the development team in choosing the base roster: everyone who plays this game has a variety of preferences when it comes to who they want to play as and why, and gamers prioritize these choices differently based on whether they're straight up playing the game, making stuff in CAS, going through the story mode, etc.
It's a lot to take into consideration for the development team.

Which is why a more accurate poll is needed and would be most helpful. You just gave me another idea. Each poll taker can also rank the three categories in the order of which they place more importance. In my case it's 1st: Style, 2nd: Story, 3rd: Favorite.

As for the Cassandra thing. We've had multiple years of sword and board with Cassandra and Sophitia and the two Pyrra's, by this point we could vote on which of the 4 is the best style, choose that one, and then just make Sophitia and Cassandra alternate outfits of the other with a different name. One sword and shield, as many sword and shield users as they want, no slots used, both can be in the game using minimal resources.

Could do this with other similar styles to get that full weapon style variety with minimal slot use.

 

[Spanky]

I remember getting a C in statistics back in the day, but discussing it here makes it seem so much more engaging! :D
There are probably a lot of ways PS could ascertain character preferences (though there will always be the challenge that a sample is never like truly being able to actually ask everyone for their input).

 

[DanteSC3]

Absolute tangent but Groh will never be anything but Cao Pi to me, even if "Darth Maul but anime" was probably more their inspiration.

And I still see Zidane from Final Fantasy IX, was among my first thoughts when I saw both twinblade and also split into two.

 

[Alucard]

I'm really getting annoyed with all this Raph/Amy discussions and especially the: make Raph use Amy's style, the hell is that, they should make Raph style better, but there is no need to fuse their styles, they are different and they should be. I never heard someone saying stuff like "mix Sophitia's and Cassandra's style" or " Mitsu Yoshi, or Nightmare Seig... ect I only hear, "please bring back Cassandra, and Lizardman with the shield axe style" xD (Same with Mina)
My point is I want Raph to be Raph and Amy to be Amy, if they don't want to bring back Amy (or Raph), fine, but no need to keep stealing her move to give them to Raphael (like they did in SC5) no need to mix their styles just to make him viable, there is other way to fix a character and make his style better, more efficient while keeping his vampiric uniqueness.

 

[Ardenwolf]

I remember getting a C in statistics back in the day, but discussing it here makes it seem so much more engaging! :D
There are probably a lot of ways PS could ascertain character preferences (though there will always be the challenge that a sample is never like truly being able to actually ask everyone for their input).

The key to useful statistics is to want an accurate result. Unfortunately most go into it with a desired result before hand and ask questions aimed at producing those results.

I'm really getting annoyed with all this Raph/Amy discussions and especially the: make Raph use Amy's style, the hell is that, they should make Raph style better, but there is no need to fuse their styles, they are different and they should be. I never heard someone saying stuff like "mix Sophitia's and Cassandra's style" or " Mitsu Yoshi, or Nightmare Seig... ect I only hear, "please bring back Cassandra, and Lizardman with the shield axe style" xD (Same with Mina)
My point is I want Raph to be Raph and Amy to be Amy, if they don't want to bring back Amy (or Raph), fine, but no need to keep stealing her move to give them to Raphael (like they did in SC5) no need to mix their styles just to make him viable, there is other way to fix a character and make his style better, more efficient while keeping his vampiric uniqueness.

What you are hearing is people trying to find a compromise since we're not being allowed to just have everything like we'd all clearly prefer.

Basically:
Most People Want a Rapier Style
Most People Feel Raph is a more important Character
Most People prefer Amy's Rapier Style over Raph
If we can only have one then a possible compromise is to hybridize their styles to be more in line with Amy's.

It's not ideal. Not my preference, but is better than just keep Raph as is and ditch the more prefered style entirely.

 

[Niwona]

Arby's completely embodies eat-sports. They need to get on the sponsorship game.

 

[DanteSC3]

I don't think it's reasonable at all to expect malfested Raphael. Even if he's not in the main story mode, he doesn't become malfested until 1591, so if he is in, he will be human. Which means his style would be more focused on the rapier than his supernatural abilities. Before you say reboot, retcon, changing it, etc., we still haven't seen any of this, everything shown so far with regards to returning characters has not contradicted the original timeline.

 

[tirakai]

As for the Cassandra thing. We've had multiple years of sword and board with Cassandra and Sophitia and the two Pyrra's, by this point we could vote on which of the 4 is the best style, choose that one, and then just make Sophitia and Cassandra alternate outfits of the other with a different name. One sword and shield, as many sword and shield users as they want, no slots used, both can be in the game using minimal resources.

Could do this with other similar styles to get that full weapon style variety with minimal slot use.

I don't think that would be very satisfying for the Sword and Shield users since each style has a different feel and appeal to it, they each reflect the characters quite well. Cassandra's style is a lot more exciteable and bouncy than the more serious and deliberate Sophie style for example, and in SCV default Pyrrha is scared and clumsy and oPyrrha is Sophitia but angry and forceful and bloodthirsty (and Pat's style of course feels arrogant and ridiculous, though it's more clearly different than the rest).

Blending the best parts together wouldn't really work since it'd blend the different feels together too, leaving them feeling like blander mix of stuff rather than each capturing different emotions/personalities like they currently do.

I kind of like oPyrrha's best of the bunch tbh (since it's basically Sophitia's style but evil) but I can't imagine we'll ever see that again.

 

[Ardenwolf]

I don't think that would be very satisfying for the Sword and Shield users since each style has a different feel and appeal to it, they each reflect the characters quite well. Cassandra's style is a lot more exciteable and bouncy than the more serious and deliberate Sophie style for example, and is SCV default Pyrrha is scared and clumsy and oPyrrha is Sophitia but angry and forceful and bloodthirsty.

Blending the best parts together wouldn't really work since it'd blend the different feels together too, leaving them feeling a bit of a bland mix of stuff rather than each capturing different emotions/personalities like they currently do. I kind of like oPyrrha's best tbh (since it's basically Sophitia's style but evil) but I can't imagine we'll ever see that again.

Like above, another unsatisfying compromise but better than just deleting characters entirely because they don't want to use the assets on two sword and board styles.

 

[Alucard]

What you are hearing is people trying to find a compromise since we're not being allowed to just have everything like we'd all clearly prefer.

I get that, and I just say that I don't agree with that, simple as that. I find it dumb, (I felt the same way with SF5 when Guile wasn't in but we had Nash that was kinda like Guile but not Guile...) I don't like when characters are mixed like that. Either you get rid of it forever or you keep them.
It always feels weird to me to use a character and say to myself, "hey, that used to be X characters move" :/ it kinda loses personality. (it's probably not the case for everyone and for the newcomers, but I feel that way)

 

[tirakai]

I don't know, personally I'd rather have Sophitia with her proper own style and no Cassandra rather than seeing the two just blended together half and half. Plus that leaves options open for DLC Cassandra which blending them together wouldn't.

 

[Ardenwolf]

I get that, and I just say that I don't agree with that, simple as that. I find it dumb, (I felt the same way with SF5 when Guile wasn't in but we had Nash that was kinda like Guile but not Guile...) I don't like when characters are mixed like that. Either you get rid of it forever or you keep them.
It always feels weird to me to use a character and say to myself, "hey, that used to be X characters move" :/ it kinda loses personality. (it's probably not the case for everyone and for the newcomers, but I feel that way)

Which is possibly why there was the whole Salia Idea. Something new to replace them both with a rapier style and hopefully get the right feel.

 

[Ardenwolf]

I don't know, personally I'd rather have Sophitia with her proper own style and no Cassandra rather than seeing the two just blended together half and half. Plus that leaves options open for DLC Cassandra which blending them together wouldn't.

But leaves Cassandra out of the story.

Look I agree with you all. I'm just brainstorming here. Trying to figure out workable compromises.

 

[AndyrooSC]

Just keep scrolling guys its what I do

 

[AriesWarlock]

had to get this outta youtube

 

[tirakai]

The problem with compromises is that sometimes meeting in the middle leaves nobody satisfied.

At first glance mixing them might seem like a good compromise but what that really means is that neither Sophie or Cassandra fans get the style they like, as opposed to leaving out Cassandra altogether where half them get their style and half don't.

Ideally of course Cassandra would be in too, I think of all the shared weapon characters she's probably most likely (unless you count Lizardman who's semi-confirmed already) but it's too early to tell.

 

[DanteSC3]

Even if we don't get a few characters in SoulCalibur VI, if the game does as well as it seems like it might, bringing things back to the roots, adding offline modes, enticing new players to get involved since it's taking the story back to the start and being a lot more thorough, etc., then that would mean that we get SoulCalibur VII sooner than the wait since SoulCalibur V. And if SoulCalibur VII picks up where SoulCalibur VI leaves off, then it could also incorporate multiple games' stories, meaning SoulCalibur III and SoulCalibur IV. But they would be told with the amount of depth that we have here in SoulCalibur VI, so there would be room to add the characters that get left out, and because we would already have a healthy base of characters in the newest style, those could be kept and simply add more, so we're not getting new characters at the cost of losing others, like it was going forward in the series from SoulCalibur II to SoulCalibur IV, they just kept adding new ones without losing old ones.

Like, the popular belief that Setsuka and Hilde will come as DLC for SoulCalibur VI, then their characters are already built, base at least, for SoulCalibur VII, so they would just be in the game at that point already, not as DLC, but just in the game. Add a couple new folks like Grøh if you want, add the ones that didn't make it / didn't have a place before, and then still can have DLC on top of that? We'll get our dream roster, if not in this game, in the next one. But perhaps I'm just an optimist.

 

[Ardenwolf]

The problem with compromises is that sometimes meeting in the middle leaves nobody satisfied.

At first glance mixing them might seem like a good compromise but what that really means is that neither Sophie or Cassandra fans get the style they like, as opposed to leaving out Cassandra altogether where half them get their style and half don't.

Ideally of course Cassandra would be in too, I think of all the shared weapon characters she's probably most likely (unless you count Lizardman who's semi-confirmed already) but it's too early to tell.

And having them over other more unique weapon styles upsets others, etc. No matter what there's compromise, no matter what, someone is shafted. The goal is max happiness with what resources are allotted.

Even if we don't get a few characters in SoulCalibur VI, if the game does as well as it seems like it might, bringing things back to the roots, adding offline modes, enticing new players to get involved since it's taking the story back to the start and being a lot more thorough, etc., then that would mean that we get SoulCalibur VII sooner than the wait since SoulCalibur V. And if SoulCalibur VII picks up where SoulCalibur VI leaves off, then it could also incorporate multiple games' stories, meaning SoulCalibur III and SoulCalibur IV. But they would be told with the amount of depth that we have here in SoulCalibur VI, so there would be room to add the characters that get left out, and because we would already have a healthy base of characters in the newest style, those could be kept and simply add more, so we're not getting new characters at the cost of losing others, like it was going forward in the series from SoulCalibur II to SoulCalibur IV, they just kept adding new ones without losing old ones.

Like, the popular belief that Setsuka and Hilde will come as DLC for SoulCalibur VI, then their characters are already built, base at least, for SoulCalibur VII, so they would just be in the game at that point already, not as DLC, but just in the game. Add a couple new folks like Grøh if you want, add the ones that didn't make it / didn't have a place before, and then still can have DLC on top of that? We'll get our dream roster, if not in this game, in the next one. But perhaps I'm just an optimist.

Oh I'd love that. Personally I think they shoulda just designed this game with the goal of expansions, and keep extending the timeline and adding characters as they go. My only issue there is the threat I keep hearing that Amy will only ever be Viola from now on.

 

[SSfox]

I get that, and I just say that I don't agree with that, simple as that. I find it dumb, (I felt the same way with SF5 when Guile wasn't in but we had Nash that was kinda like Guile but not Guile...) I don't like when characters are mixed like that. Either you get rid of it forever or you keep them.
It always feels weird to me to use a character and say to myself, "hey, that used to be X characters move" :/ it kinda loses personality. (it's probably not the case for everyone and for the newcomers, but I feel that way)

Nash and Guile have a totally different gameplay in SFV.

 

[tirakai]

I know, but what I'm saying is mixing Sophie and Cassie together isn't going to make fans of either happy. If we can't have both it's better to have one whole character rather than two half characters smooshed together (or like SCV Astaroth one character with a couple extra moves awkwardly lumped on that don't fit the rest of the playstyle too well).