Soulcalibur VI General Roster Speculation Thread

SoulCalibur VI: which 3 characters do you most hope for?

  • A brand new character

  • Amy

  • Cassandra

  • Hilde

  • Hwang/Yunsung and/or Lizardman

  • Rock

  • Setsuka

  • Viola

  • Z.W.E.I.

  • Other: Abyss, Algol, Dampierre, Elysium, Leixia, Li Long, Patroklos, etc.


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It wouldn't be the first time. Talim and Zasalamel are the most infamously missing styles from SoulCalibur V, but Yun-seong was cut, too, and Leixia got Qing Long as some sort of terrible peace offering so as to not leave the dao completely out of the game, but... it wasn't the same, for obvious reasons. But Hwang is indeed a part of Mi-na's backstory, and has been mentioned by all but name in her bio on Soul Archive JP. Yun-seong wouldn't be relevant, yet, since he only comes into the picture once Hwang goes back to the coast guard, which isn't until after the events of Soul Calibur I, which is the meat of this game's story.
 
of course I selfishly want cassandra because I loved her in 3 and 4. I also loved Pat in sc5, but I'm a realist and I know She's probably not in this game. MAAAAYbe dlc later but not base roster.

To those who say she's not unique enough:

I would agree with that in appearance only, not when it comes to the actual move set. So different in fact, that I found Sophitia to be rather boring and plain whereas Cassandra was more interesting. Having the same weapon is not an argument against her inclusion, we have NM and Sieg and no one seems to be complaining about them being too clonish. I mean in this game NM and Sieg are LITERALLY the same person under that armor of NM's.

Besides, SC games have always had multiple S&S users. It seems like a tradition LOL.

If I was in charge of this game, Cass, Sets, Yun, Li long, and Hilde would all be in this game. Fuck it throw in Hwang while were at it.
 
It wouldn't be the first time. Talim and Zasalamel are the most infamously missing styles from SoulCalibur V, but Yun-seong was cut, too, and Leixia got Qing Long as some sort of terrible peace offering so as to not leave the dao completely out of the game, but... it wasn't the same, for obvious reasons. But Hwang is indeed a part of Mi-na's backstory, and has been mentioned by all but name in her bio on Soul Archive JP. Yun-seong wouldn't be relevant, yet, since he only comes into the picture once Hwang goes back to the coast guard, which isn't until after the events of Soul Calibur I, which is the meat of this game's story.
Well 5 cut damn near 1/4 the roster. 6 isnt going to do that. Most of the weapons are at least getting representation. Its going to feel off with no Dao and yeah Hwang makes a lot more sense than Yun, plus Yun is annoying.
 
of course I selfishly want cassandra because I loved her in 3 and 4. I also loved Pat in sc5, but I'm a realist and I know She's probably not in this game. MAAAAYbe dlc later but not base roster.

To those who say she's not unique enough:

I would agree with that in appearance only, not when it comes to the actual move set. So different in fact, that I found Sophitia to be rather boring and plain whereas Cassandra was more interesting. Having the same weapon is not an argument against her inclusion, we have NM and Sieg and no one seems to be complaining about them being too clonish. I mean in this game NM and Sieg are LITERALLY the same person under that armor of NM's.

Besides, SC games have always had multiple S&S users. It seems like a tradition LOL.

If I was in charge of this game, Cass, Sets, Yun, Li long, and Hilde would all be in this game. Fuck it throw in Hwang while were at it.
Someone should just make a video comparing the movesets of Sophitia and Cassandra in detail so we can just link to that whenever someone claims "But Cassandra is just like Sophitia! She's redundant!"
 
Setsuka got so much votes that not only she is №1 now, but she beats a position that combines 3 characters at once!
If she won't be in DLC - it would be a crime.
I’d like to see ZWEI back as DLC, hopefully with a buffed moveset.
Someone should just make a video comparing the movesets of Sophitia and Cassandra in detail so we can just link to that whenever someone claims "But Cassandra is just like Sophitia! She's redundant!"
Ah yes, the Clone Argument is like the legend. It never dies.
 
It's not in-depth and it doesn't show general gameplay of either character. My video is a good first step, but it would be nice to have an exhaustive comparison.

Well 5 cut damn near 1/4 the roster. 6 isnt going to do that. Most of the weapons are at least getting representation. Its going to feel off with no Dao and yeah Hwang makes a lot more sense than Yun, plus Yun is annoying.
SC6 isn't looking amazing at that front either. Not including characters from SC5, SC6 is currently missing 10 characters with unique movesets from earlier games.
 
Someone should just make a video comparing the movesets of Sophitia and Cassandra in detail so we can just link to that whenever someone claims "But Cassandra is just like Sophitia! She's redundant!"

Here's your video on character's with similar movesets.

 
It's not in-depth and it doesn't show general gameplay of either character. My video is a good first step, but it would be nice to have an exhaustive comparison.


SC6 isn't looking amazing at that front either. Not including characters from SC5, SC6 is currently missing 10 characters with unique movesets from earlier games.

While i'll never jump into the "Cass is just like Sophie" wagon. Or the "Raph and Amy", etc, i will say that is a bit different from not including a single Dao user. In this case we are not just talking about unique movesets but also weapon representation
 
of course I selfishly want cassandra because I loved her in 3 and 4. I also loved Pat in sc5, but I'm a realist and I know She's probably not in this game. MAAAAYbe dlc later but not base roster.

To those who say she's not unique enough:

I would agree with that in appearance only, not when it comes to the actual move set. So different in fact, that I found Sophitia to be rather boring and plain whereas Cassandra was more interesting. Having the same weapon is not an argument against her inclusion, we have NM and Sieg and no one seems to be complaining about them being too clonish. I mean in this game NM and Sieg are LITERALLY the same person under that armor of NM's.

Besides, SC games have always had multiple S&S users. It seems like a tradition LOL.

If I was in charge of this game, Cass, Sets, Yun, Li long, and Hilde would all be in this game. Fuck it throw in Hwang while were at it.

They should have kept this costume's colors

cassandra-ss2.jpg


It looks nothing like Sophitia and changing the color to blue and white in SCIV was the wrong way to go.

Having this costume and her SC3 P2 costume would be different enough visually imo.

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As I said in another thread, the clone argument is more complicated than simply a move set.

What is and is not a clone often can depend on what kind of variety people expect from the game. Any shared trait, be it a move, style of clothing, background, weapon can be considered a clone trait, so what defines a clone from one person to another can vary greatly.

For some it's a pure fighting game and they see it only in moves, nothing else matters. In the extreme such a person would be fine if it was a game of greek school girls all with swords and shields so long as none of them shared the same moves.

Clearly no one wants such extremes, and same can be said for all I've mentioned.

For example some might care only about story, therefore backgrounds is all that matters, it would not matter if everyone had the same weapons or move set so long as each character has a clear difference of story and character. Another form of this is wanting the game to represent more background cultures.

For others it's all about appearance. Every character needs to look very distinct from each other. Is hard to do this without changing up some other aspects effectively, but taken to extremes, it could in theory mean as long as every character looks different in drastic ways, including the appearance of their weapons, that's all that would matter, even if moves were mostly the same.

Then there are those who care about weapon representation, they love it's a fighting based game with weapons and want more weapon variety. They're different from the moves people in that while they obviously want different moves to differentiate the weapons, but it's hardly a focus. If there are shared moves, that's fine where appropriate. No matter how different two characters with the exact same weapons are, they will find them more boring than two characters with different weapons that share several moves.

So, when asking, what is a clone character, one must consider all the different perspectives above.

Let's take Cassandra and Sophitia. While their moves have become quite distinct in terms of weapons they are clones, in terms of style and background they share some clone like qualities, which are further exacerbated by the shared weapon style. So are they clones? Not in terms of moves, but they sure are in some other categories.

Now let's take the current state of Kilik and Seong-Mina. Sure they in their last incarnation shared a lot of moves, but their weapons are distinct and they have clear background and style differences. To the people that care about moves first, they are too clonish, but to those who care about weapons and style for example they are much less clones than Cassandra and Sophitia.

Point being what makes a clone has many different variables to different people. The best way to determine a clone is, how far removed they are from each other in all categories, and to understand that each of these categories have different levels of importance to different people.

I for one find any of these taken to an extreme boring, as I'm most everyone else does as well. So unless you're happy with any of these extremes, to some degree the other aspects matter to you as well. No one wants to play sword and shield greek school girl identical quintuplets from the same school of fighting championship.
 
No one wants to play sword and shield greek school girl identical quintuplets from the same school of fighting championship.
Except that Cassandra is probably the most popular character, by a large margin, not making base when compared to the two other non "clone" characters that are being asked (Hilde and Setsuka).
 
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