Viola Frame Data Discussion

if it comes to frames they could do a few little buffs: 33K should be -9 or so on block instead of -13 which is ridiculous on such a move, and 44B and ORB 44AB should be -13 instead of -14 - it would be more of an Pyrrha/Omega nerf than Viola buff actually :P
I would also like her 1A+B and 1A to be -17 or -16 instead of -bazillion like they are now, but these aren't so important since they are rarely used without SET 6B+K insurance anyway
 
Frame data for 6B+K into immediate attacks (hereby referred to as 6B+Ki) would be useful. For example

6B+Ki 1K is +10 on hit (i25 1B trades with i15 NM 1K), +7 on block (i14 B clashes with i21 Viola 4B)

I'll test the rest after the patch
 
yes there are! good you asked or i wouldn't think about it. 33(B) is now -2 or -3 on block and 33B is -10 or -11

i don't think it was mentioned in the patch notes, were they always like that? o.0

edit:
33B is -10 (i couldn't punish with Cervy's aB which is apparently i11) and 33(B) is -3
 
Aragh said:
edit:
33B is -10 (i couldn't punish with Cervy's aB which is apparently i11) and 33(B) is -3
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33B must be -11 actually. It is not punishable with Viola AA (i12) but it is pushable with Pyrrha AA and Leixia AA which are i11 (according to the stickies).
 
No problem. We're still missing JG data and a lot of CH data.

And in case you were wondering why formatting takes time:

Code: 
[h2]Horizontal Attacks[/h2]
[template=FD5STR] [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Gemini Zenith Succedent | cmd=:A: | lvl=:H: | dmg=10 | imp=12 | jg= | grd=-8 | hit=+4 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Gemini Zenith Succedent | cmd=:A::A: | lvl=:H::H: | dmg=22 | imp=12 | jg= | grd=-10 | hit=+6 | cnt= | gb= | nts=NC [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Gemini Zenith Succedent | cmd=:A::A::B: | lvl=:H::H::H: | dmg=22 | imp=12 | jg= | grd=-18 | hit=-2 | cnt= | gb= | nts=NC, Sets orb on field [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Aquarius Cadent | cmd=:6::A: | lvl=:H: | dmg=10 | imp=17 | jg= | grd=-6 | hit=0 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Aquarius Cadent | cmd=:6::A::A: | lvl=:H::L: | dmg=18 | imp=17 | jg= | grd=-16 | hit=0 | cnt= | gb= | nts=NCC [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Taurus Aurora | cmd=:6::A::B: | lvl=:H::H: | dmg=16 | imp=17 | jg= | grd=-4 | hit=+12 | cnt=+12 | gb= | nts=NCC [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Cancer Afterglow | cmd=:3::A: | lvl=:M: | dmg=14 | imp=15 | jg= | grd=-8 | hit=+2 | cnt= | gb= | nts=TC [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Aquarius Dusk | cmd=:2::A: | lvl=:SL: | dmg=12 | imp=13 | jg= | grd=-6 | hit=+8 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Aquarius Descendant | cmd=:1::A: | lvl=:L: | dmg=10 | imp=27 | jg= | grd=-20 | hit=+3 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Zodiac Whip | cmd=:4::A: | lvl=:H::SM: | dmg=24 | imp=18 | jg= | grd=-13 | hit=-5| cnt=+3 | gb= | nts=TS[/template]
[template=FD5ROW]atk=Aquarius Twilight | cmd=FC :A: | lvl=:SL: | dmg=12 | imp=12 | jg= | grd=-6 | hit=+8 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5ROW] atk=Libra Daybreak | cmd=WS :A: | lvl=:M: | dmg=20 | imp=18 | jg= | grd=-6 | hit=+4 | cnt= | gb= | nts= [/template]
[template=FD5END] [/template]

That's what I have done so far. :P
 
I have got a question regarding SET 6B+K. How long is Viola frozen in her summoning animation? As in, how long does it take for her to be able to move again after inputting SET 6B+K? The data only mentions when the orb hits.

Ryder said:
Yes, they are. The data for the moves doesn't include the time for doing SS.
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Actually I was referring to the 22/99 and 33/88 notations. Shouldn't they be 22/88 and 33/99? Kinda confused me at first :P
 
they should. As for SET 6B+K i was to lazy to test this thoroughly, but it is somewhere around 20 frames.
 
you are right about 1K and i may take that suggestion about B+K(BE) but there is no way in hell 2K is a SL
 
Aragh said:
you are right about 1K and i may take that suggestion about B+K(BE) but there is no way in hell 2K is a SL
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When I wrote the post it was showing up as SL in Training Mode. Now it's showing as a L again. Honestly no idea what happened there.

Maybe I temporarily confused it with 2A on the sheet. In that case, nevermind.
 
Hello, I'm a new Viola moderator. I'd like to say that Panther's work is very commendable, however it needs to be set out in a more orderly fashion.

Contents

Viola

Character Notations​

  • ORB = Orb held by Viola.
  • SET = Orb set in the field.

Horizontal Attacks​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Gemini Zenith Succedent 12 10 -15 -8 +4 +4
:A: :H: :G: cancel
Gemini Zenith Succedent 12 22 -15 -10 +6 +6
:A::A: :H::H: NC
Gemini Zenith Succedent 12 22 -18 -2 -2
ORB :A::A::B: :H::H::H: NC / ~SET
Gemini Zenith Succedent 12 32 +5 +6 +6
SET :A::A::B: :H::H::H: NC / ~ORB
Aquarius Cadent 17 10 -6 0 0
:6::A: :H:
Aquarius Cadent 17 28 -16 0 0
:6::A::A: :H::L: NCC / ~FC
Taurus Aurora 17 26 -4 +12 +12
:6::A::B: :H::H: NCC / TC / ~SET
Cancer Afterglow 15 14 -16 -8 +2 +2
:3::A: :M: TC
Aquarius Dusk 13 12 -6 +8 +8 (31)
:2::A: :SL: ~FC
Aquarius Descendant 27 10 -22 -20 +3 KND
:1::A: :L: TC / ~FC
Zodiac Whip 18 24 -17 -13 -5 +3
ORB :4::A: :H::SM: TS
Zodiac Whip 18 12 -9 +1 STN STN
SET :4::A: :H: TS / Opp. ~BT (hit)
Aquarius Twilight 12 12 -6 +8 +8 (31)
FC :A: :SL: TC
Libra Daybreak 18 20 -15 -6 +4 +4
WR :A: :M: Opp. ~Sideturned (hit)
Libra Whip 31 26 -8 +4 +4
ORB :7:*:8:*:9::A: :M: TJ / Opp. ~BT (hit)
Libra Whip 16
SET :7:*:8:*:9::A: :M: TJ / Opp. ~BT (hit)
House of Antichton Cancer 15 11 -10 +2 +2
BT :A: :H:
House of Antichton Aquarius 17 10 -6 +8 +8
BT :2::A: :SL: ~FC
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

Vertical Attacks​


Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Pisces Zenith Succedent 14 14 -15 -8 +2 +2
:B: :M: :G: cancel
Pisces Zenith Succedent 14 30 -14 -5 +4 +2
:B::B: :M::M: NC
Pisces Zenith Succedent 14 30 -13 -2 -2
ORB :B::B::B: :M::M::H: NC / ~SET
Pisces Zenith Succedent 14 40 +8 +8
SET :B::B::B: :M::M::H: NC / ~ORB
Aries Club 16 18 -15 -6 +6 +6 16
:6::B: :M:
Capricornus Sword 18 15 -22 -14 LNC LNC 15
:3::B: :M: TC[9-16] / ORB version has extra pushback
Aries Hammer 14 20 -8 +2 +2
ORB :2::B: :M::SM: ~FC / NC
Aries Hammer 14 14 -17 -8 +2 +2
SET :2::B: :M: ~FC
ORB FC :B: :M::SM: ~FC / NC / TC
SET FC :B: :M: ~FC / TC
Capricornus Ascendant 25 16 -20 +4 STN
:1::B: :M: TC / CH STN[19] / LNC back on air hit
Scorpius Needle 21 32 -16 -9 STN STN 11
:4::B: :M: STN[14]
Capricornus Dawn 16 26 -8 +4 STN 12
WR :B: :M: TC
Aries Claw 29 30 -29 -8 +4 +4
ORB :7:*:8:*:9::B: :M::SM: NC / TJ / ~FC / ~SET
Aries Claw 29 14 -29 -18 KND KND
SET :7:*:8:*:9::B: :M: TJ / ~FC
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

Kick Attacks​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Sign of Quintile 13 14 -12 -8 +2 +2 (22)
:K: :H: :G: cancel
Sign of Semi-Square 20 22 -18 -4 KND KND
:6::K: :H: TC / ~BT
Sign of Trine 16 18 -14 -7 +7 +7
:3::K: :M:
Sign of Square 15 14 -15 -14 -2 -2 (31)
:2::K: :L: ~FC
14 -15 -14 -2 -2 (31)
FC :K: :L: ~FC / TC
Sign of Quincunx 18 18 -21 -16 -2 -2
:1::K: :L: TC
Sign of Sextile 16 20 -18 -10 +2 +2
:4::K: :H:
Conjunction Sign 20 22 -2 +4 +4 13
WR :K: :M: Opp. FrC (hit/block)
Fiery Sagitta Sign 24 26 KND KND
ORB :8:*:9::K: :M::SM: NCC / TJ
Fiery Sagitta Sign 24 16 -7 +5 STN
SET :8:*:9::K: :M:
Opposing Sign of Quintile 15 16 -8 +2 +2
BT :K: :H:
Opposing Sign of Semi-Square 17 12 -14 -2 -2
BT :2::K: :L: ~FC
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

Simultaneous Press​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Libra Shield 21 8 -18 -12 +1 +1
ORB :A+B: :M:
Libra Shield 21 26 -18 -11 -11
ORB :A+B::A: :M::M: NC
Libra Shield 21 8, 18, 10 +4 KND KND
SET :A+B::A::B: :M::M::H: ~ORB / 3rd hit +14 on CH
Taurus Javelin 16 24 -12 -7 -7
ORB :6::A+B: :H::H: ~SET / Delayable / NC
Taurus Javelin 18 21 KND KND
SET :6::A+B: :H::H: NC / ~SET
Mars Savage 29 28 +9 KND KND
ORB :2::A+B: :SM: :GC: / ~SET
Mars Savage 25 15 -19 KND KND
SET :2::A+B: :SM: Opp. FrC (block)
Mars Savage 59 35 +31 KND KND
SET :2::(A)::+::(B): :SM: :GC:
Saturnus Fan 33 22 -21 KND KND
SET :1::A+B: :L: TJ / TC
Saturnus Fan 33 22 -21 KND KND
ORB :1::A+B: :L: TJ / TC / increased range
Venus Circlet 34 20 -2 +6 +6
ORB :4::A+B: :SM: ~SET
Venus Circlet 34 20 +16 +16
SET :4::A+B: :SM::SM: NC
Saturnus Meteorite 19 35 -26 -24 KND KND
ORB :8::A+B: :M::SM: TJ / TC
Saturnus Meteorite 19 36 -19 -13 KND KND
SET :8::A+B: :M::SM: TJ / TC
Luna Zenith - - - - - - -
ORB :B+K: :SS: ~SET
Terra Zenith 31 10 +9 +10 +20 -
SET :B+K: :H: ~ORB
Luna Moment 19 20 -1 +8 +8
ORB :6::B+K: :SM::SM: NC / ~SET
Luna Occultation 68 15
SET :6::B+K: :SM: Startup[F1-F20]
Nox Peregrine 10 +8 +8
SET :4::B+K: :GI: Autoevade[Verts., Thrusts F2-12] / ~ORB
Nox Peregrine 10
ORB :4::B+K: :GI: Autoevade[Verts., Thrusts F2-12] / ~SET
Luna Nadir - - - - - - -
ORB :2::B+K: :SS: ~SET / Performable in BT
Terra Nadir 55 10 KND KND -
SET :2::B+K: :SL: ~ORB / Performable in BT
Tonitrus Ring 21 33 -2 STN STN
BT :B+K: :H: TJ / ~SET
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

8-Way Run Moves​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Sol Grand Trine 18 24 -11 -1 -1
:(6)::A: :H:
Sol Grand Trine 18 34 -6 +2 +2
:(6)::A::A: :H::H: NC
Sol Grand Trine 18 52 -6 STN STN
:(6)::A::A::B: :H::H::H: NCC
Aries Sickle 16 38 -14 0 0
ORB :(3):*:(9)::A: :H::SM::SM:
Aries Sickle 16 22 -18 KND KND
SET :(3):*:(9)::A: :H::SM:
Venus Zenith Corona 20 36 -10 0 0
ORB :(2):*:(8)::A::B: :M::H::H:
Venus Nadir Corona 20 21 -14 +6 +6
SET :(2):*:(8)::A::B: :M::H:
Luna Tiara 20 18 -20 +2 +2
ORB :(4):*:(1):*:(7)::A: :M:
Luna Tiara 20 45 -14 KND KND
ORB :(4):*:(1):*:(7)::A::B: :M::M::SM: NC / Delayable / ~SET
Luna Tiara 20 18 -19 +2 +2
SET :(4):*:(1):*:(7)::A: :M:
Luna Tiara 20 38 -18 STN STN
SET :(4):*:(1):*:(7)::A::B: :M::M: NC / Delayable
Sagittarius Angular 21 30 -17 -6 KND KND 12
:(6)::B: :M: TC / Clean Hit C
Virgo Vesper 23 20 -18 -11 LNC LNC
:(3)::B: :M: TC
Virgo Vesper 32 36 -18 -3 SLNC SLNC 9
:(3)::(B): :M: TC
Leo Nightfall 17 15 -21 -7 +4 +4
:(2):*:(8)::B: :M: Opp. FrC (block/hit)
Leo Succedent 19 14, 16 -23 -14 KND KND
:(4):*:(1):*:(7)::B: :M::M: TC / TJ / NC / Clean Hit C
Vernal Sigil 19 10, 10 -16 -9 +5 +5
:(6)::K: :M::M: TC / TJ
Vermal Sigil 19 10, 10 -16 -9 +5 +5
:(6)::(K): :M::M::SS: TC / TJ / ~SET
Estival Sigil 17 22 -13 KND KND
:(3):*:(9)::K: :M: TJ
Zenith Autumnal Sigil 24 18 -20 -13 -1 -1
:(2):*:(8)::K: :M: TS
Zenith Autumnal Sigil 24 18 -25 -11 -11
ORB :(2):*:(8)::K::B: :M::SS: TS / ~SET
Nadir Autumnal Sigil 24 18, 10 +8 +9 +18
SET :(2):*:(8)::K::B: :M::H: TS / ~ORB
Hibernal Sigil 23 20 -15 0 0
:(4):*:(1):*:(7)::K: :L: STC / ~FC
Zodiac Nebula 22 10, 5 -8 +2 +2
ORB :(6)::A+B: :M::SM: NC / TC
Zodiac Nebula 22 10, 5, 15, 10 -18 +1 +1
ORB :(6)::A+B::B: :M::SM::M::SM: NC / TC / Opp. FrC (hit)
Zodiac Nebula 22 10 -16 -16 -6 -6
SET :(6)::A::+::B: :M: NC / TC
Zodiac Nebula 22 10, 15 -22 -22 -8 -8
SET :(6)::A::+::B::B: :M::M: NC / TC / Opp. FrC (hit)
Libra Prime 27 20, 20 -9 KND KND
ORB :(2):*:(8)::A+B: :H::M: Clean Hit B
Libra Prime 44 20 -9 KND KND
SET :(2):*:(8)::A+B: :M:
Occidental Peregrine - - - - - - -
ORB :(2):*:(8)::B+K: :SS: TS / ~SET
Occidental Peregrine 10
SET :(2):*:(8)::B+K: :H: TS / ~ORB
Empyrean Purge 76 22, 12, 54 :UA: KND KND n/a
ORB :(4)::A+B: :M::M::M: :G: cancel / NC
Empyrean Purge 76 22 :UA: STN STN -
SET :(4)::A+B: :M: :G: cancel
Sign of Contradiction 21 26 -22 KND KND
RUN :K: :L: TC
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

Edge Attacks​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Lilith Advent 19 10, 10, 15 -7 KND KND
:(6)::kA+B+K: :M::M:
:SM:		 :BE: TC / TJ / NC / ~SET
Lilith Advent 19 10, 10, 35 +35 KND KND
:(6)::kA::+::B::+::(K): :M::M:
:SM:		 :BE::GC: TC / TJ / ~SET
Lilith Shield 21 41 -7 LNC LNC
SET :a-small::+::bA+B+K: :M::M:
:SL:		 :BE: NC
Lilith Triregnum 20 12, 20, 8, 8, 8 STN STN
SET :(4)::aA+B+K: :M::M:
:SM:x3		 :BE: NC / Delayable / Opp. FrC (block)
Cancellable after first orb hit
Lilith Siege 17 15, 10, 10 KND KND
SET :(2):*:(8)::bA+B+K: :M:
:SM:x2		 :BE: NC
Lilith Triumph 12 37, 13 SLNC SLNC
SET :b-small::+::kA+B+K: :SM: :BE: ~ORB
Lilith Recurrence 39 20 +16 KND KND
SET :2::b-small::+::kA+B+K: :SL: :BE: TC / ~ORB / LNC grounded
Arcanum Azrael 23 2, 1, 2, 1 ,2, 1, 2
:2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: :SM:x7
:SS:		 :CE: ~SET
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB

Throw Attacks​

Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB
Veneni Leones 17 45 :TH: :TH: KND KND
ORB :A+G: :H: :A: break
Cometae Tremor 17 50 :TH: :TH: KND KND
ORB :B+G: :H: :B: break
Noctilucens Papilio 17 57 :TH: :TH: KND KND
ORB, Left :A+G:*:B+G: :H: :A:*:B: break
Boneficia Defectio 17 55 :TH: :TH: KND KND
ORB, Right :A+G:*:B+G: :H: :A:*:B: break
Malefica Saltatio 17 20 :TH: :TH: +20 +20
SET :A+G: :H: :A: break / also side throw
Astri Fuga 17 40 :TH: :TH:
SET :B+G: :H: :B: break / also side throw
Animae Speculum 17 67 :TH: :TH: KND KND
ORB, Behind :A+G:*:B+G: :H: :A:*:B: break (Astaroth, Voldo, and Z.W.E.I. only)
Perliculosus Odor 17 4 :TH: :TH: +24 +24
SET, Behind :A+G:*:B+G: :H: :A:*:B: break (Astaroth, Voldo, and Z.W.E.I. only)
Attack IMP DMG JG GRD HIT CH GB


As you can see I have not completely finished yet, as it takes a while to update it using the code. I will finish it later on.
 
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