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Pretty much every character got nerfed. So, instead of seeing SMALL buffs for ZWEI, I'm seeing: BUFFS only!

I'm thinking about playing him next. Raph got screwed.
 
Solid_Altair said:
Pretty much every character got nerfed. So, instead of seeing SMALL buffs for ZWEI, I'm seeing: BUFFS only!

I'm thinking about playing him next. Raph got screwed.
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I think I'm coming from there too. I feel at least ZWEI has potential. Raph seems to have lost all of his...
 
Uber1337 said:
he's complained about alot on a per capita basis. overall, not so much. not many scrubs play him
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Guessing by many ppl bitch about a character that really IS good, I'd say a LOT of scrubs play him. Seriously why are u even trying anymore? Like ppl like u are the reason why the game got patched in the first place and honestly ur character got buffed in this patch because of the backstep and yet ppl like u dont see it. I swear this thread reminds of the Kung Lao thread on TYM months ago but except ppl are complaining about MOAR BUFFS! This generation of gamers are fuckin crybabies unbelievable.
 
Bajanking23 said:
Guessing by many ppl bitch about a character that really IS good, I'd say a LOT of scrubs play him. Seriously why are u even trying anymore? Like ppl like u are the reason why the game got patched in the first place and honestly ur character got buffed in this patch because of the backstep and yet ppl like u dont see it. I swear this thread reminds of the Kung Lao thread on TYM months ago but except ppl are complaining about MOAR BUFFS! This generation of gamers are fuckin crybabies unbelievable.
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and you are???....i feel because your words that you are a high level player, you have some videos uploaded of your gameplay???.....or you are just another big mouth??
 
ka_kui said:
and you are???....i tfeel because your word that you are a high level player, you have some videos uploaded of your gameplay???.....or you are just another big mouth??
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Well lets just say i play against one of the best ZWEIs in the US in person on a daily basis and these are not my words btw. Just saying ;). Im not gonna reveal too much out of respect for him but this character IS at mid or upper mid tier at best especially after the backstep nerf which encourages his Ein pressure but ur probably a rock with no imagination so u wouldnt understand brother. *Hulk Hogan voice*
 
Bajanking23 said:
trololol...
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If you dont play Zwei...you cant say that man.....is you play against a good zwei player, and you have problems with him, is because you dont know how to deal with him, im not saying Zwei is a bad character, for me is very good, i win almost of the 90% of matches in ranked, but when i play with friends that know how to deal with zwei, is hard to win, you have to use a lot of mind game, and be very creative........but if you dont know zwei from your hand you just dont know what are you talking about.....dont take this like a personal attack....just my opinion ;)
 
I think you're looking at this wrong. Zwei's ability was assisted by some of the tweaks they did to characters and game mechanics other than himself. The backdash adjustment will help me with 66BA for example. And the range of B+K is very useful. Bait opponents with your back turned and summon the mighty EIN!
 
Dustinsworth said:
I think you're looking at this wrong. Zwei's ability was assisted by some of the tweaks they did to characters and game mechanics other than himself. The backdash adjustment will help me with 66BA for example. And the range of B+K is very useful. Bait opponents with your back turned and summon the mighty EIN!
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yeah the B+K is very good now...in fact i have a very good combos/punishers with that move now.........the 3A, and the 33B(BE) i dont find usefull at all...........yeah the backdash adjustment is very good for zwei, good for presure ;).............in patch 1.01 zwei got a lot of buffs, maybe that's the reason he get very few changes now.
 
I would love to know what these magically upper-mid tier ZWEI players are doing.

The more I play ZWEI, the more I feel he's one of the worst in the game (apologies for saying otherwise before). Everything he has is a gimmick, or unsafe on block. So once you get through the gimmicks, you're left with a relatively unsafe character. His punishment game is also severely lacking because his attacks are so slow.

I've gone through his movelist multiple times and I'm either already using something, or it's unsafe on block/slow to execute, making it a risky attack. Where is all this magic that makes ZWEI upper-mid or better?
 
lol, now you are seeing the light. Funny, i'm actually starting to think hes not AS bad as before. Still not good, but MAYBE not the worst in the game. He's got some pretty good oki game, the problem is just getting that knockdown to begin with.

I find that longer range B+K is extremely helpful for Zwei. Suddenly he can score good damage from mid-range without getting block-punished. Still not sure what the 3A buff was for. In pre-patch, did 3A after 1B] give enough hit-stun for the fully charged EIN to connect after? Maybe that just made the timing on that easier.
 
Uber1337 said:
lol, now you are seeing the light. Funny, i'm actually starting to think hes not AS bad as before. Still not good, but MAYBE not the worst in the game. He's got some pretty good oki game, the problem is just getting that knockdown to begin with.

I find that longer range B+K is extremely helpful for Zwei. Suddenly he can score good damage from mid-range without getting block-punished. Still not sure what the 3A buff was for. In pre-patch, did 3A after 1B] give enough hit-stun for the fully charged EIN to connect after? Maybe that just made the timing on that easier.
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his oki is okay at best when using his B+K BE if your opponent knows to back tech after 66BA/4B all your good options are gone. And if they get up and 2A it'll beat out everything besides 4B and 66B+K but 66B+K whiffs on most small characters. And the combo with 3A worked pre-patch only thing I've noticed is 3AA is even more hit detectable than it used to be.
 
Yeah, but if they back tech every time against those moves, you can just not do B+K BE and run up for free mix-ups instead. Just don't be too predictable about it. Its not perfect, but still dangerous.

Besides, thats not his only oki game. Hes got 66A+B delays and of course launchers ending with 1B].
 
Zwei is a setup-oriented character whose play style isn't for everyone. I enjoy him as a secondary character, and I do well with him. I can't stay up close with Zwei for long, he's more about spacing.

And while he isn't in a lot of tournament play currently, give it time. This game is very young. I contend upper-tier play is dominated by series established characters because the players have a shorter investment time in them.

On a character design note, he would have been far more interesting if, instead of Zwei being a wolf, his summons was a mirror/ ghost/ spectre of himself.
 
Dustinsworth said:
Zwei is a setup-oriented character whose play style isn't for everyone. I enjoy him as a secondary character, and I do well with him. I can't stay up close with Zwei for long, he's more about spacing.

And while he isn't in a lot of tournament play currently, give it time. This game is very young. I contend upper-tier play is dominated by series established characters because the players have a shorter investment time in them.

On a character design note, he would have been far more interesting if, instead of Zwei being a wolf, his summons was a mirror/ ghost/ spectre of himself.
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He's not a wolf! Does he look like a wolf? He summons a wolf. He is not a Lycan, he doesn't morph into a werewolf, he summons one. Through a portal. lol. Though i think he would be far more interesting if he WAS a Lycan and morphed into a wolf instead of summoning one. He'd morph in transition really fast like how he summons.
 
I don't know what techniques you guys are using, but i NEVER use B+K BE. You can't pull that off against someone familiar with Zwei unless they hesitate. His meter is too precious to waste it with B+K BE. It's like his 44B+K unblockable, gives the opponent all the time in the world to interrupt or sidestep it, or tech, and Ein gets cancelled! I think Ein needs to hit on B+K BE even if the opponent interrupts, they can still block Ein so it won't be broke, and it costs meter so Ein shouldn't cancel. It makes for one of Zwei's strongest combo's with A+B into his CE but the setup is extremely unlikely. The opponent has too much time to either interrupt or sidestep. I don't see why people use the move.
 
pharaoh03 said:
He's not a wolf! Does he look like a wolf? He summons a wolf. He is not a Lycan, he doesn't morph into a werewolf, he summons one. Through a portal. lol. Though i think he would be far more interesting if he WAS a Lycan and morphed into a wolf instead of summoning one. He'd morph in transition really fast like how he summons.
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Then how do you explain the giant hump below his neck / on his upper back?
 
pharaoh03 said:
I don't know what techniques you guys are using, but i NEVER use B+K BE. You can't pull that off against someone familiar with Zwei unless they hesitate. His meter is too precious to waste it with B+K BE.........
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ZWEI say this to you:

-"You lack imagination. It's like fighting a rock."


;)
 
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