Raphael General Discussion

Dullyanna said:
About the only way you're going to punish 236B (-12, iirc) is if you're using Setsuka, and can properly use the JF umbrella. VE BB is -20 or something, which is much worse.
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the only advantage 22B~B:B has over 236B is perhaps it's a little safer against whiffs (you dont have to complete the string) and it's also more damaging IF u can pull off the JF consistantly


Once in a while, dart forward a bit and try 1A and 33B, which have very good range to make up for it's crummy frames on block (or hit)
 
With what? Raph doesn't have anything that's i12, and I'm pretty sure the move's frames on block haven't changed since the patch. Hell, I remember testing Sophie's 236B (i14) against it, with her back to the wall.

Back to real discussion: I only use 236B as a whiff punisher, or to very occasionally damage the SG, since it's in no way abuseable. I do abuse 1A to hell, though. Ranged lows are always nice, if you're smart with them. And you can mash the JF for 22B ~B:B, for what it's worth... though most of you should know that Raph's JFs are pretty much all masheable.
 
i dont mash JF's i try to time them ,but yeah they are mashable

2A+B is one of the best lows in the game it has insane range

EDIT: 33B misses at close range WTF?

did we discuss 4A+B yet?
can it only GI horizontals?
 
yeah i wonder about the GI myself ive only seen it work once now i just use it as a taunt because raphael yells COME ON when u do it
 
If the 4A+B aGI is succesful, the opponent can re-GI Raph's followup, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's why we don't discuss it.
 
angelic_fragment said:
i dont mash JF's i try to time them ,but yeah they are mashable

2A+B is one of the best lows in the game it has insane range

EDIT: 33B misses at close range WTF?

did we discuss 4A+B yet?
can it only GI horizontals?
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2A+B has range but any movement to the side will make it whiff. 33B is inconsistent when it comes to range and side hits, nothing like it used to be. 4A+B is only h/m/sm/sl horizontals, follow-up can be re-GI'ed and the reward isn't worth the risk since it's also negative frames on hit. Raph just doesn't have a solid aGI game.
 
6B is a great block punisher because people cant side step when you hit with the 6B the use a prep follow up
 
Raphael's kicks?

All right, so earlier today I was perusing Raphael's frame data (on the wiki), and I noticed how amazing his kicks were. It shows his K is +8 on NH and CH, his 3K is +4 on NH and CH, and his WR K is +6 on NH and CH.

So my question is this: Why do I see so few videos of Raphael utilizing his kicks? Obviously they're short range, but even then, all I see is 2A.

Also to note, I'm still at work, so I can't test this myself, but I think those numbers on the Wiki might be a bit messed up. If they are, please delete this thread.

THanks!
 
Raphael's kicks?

Redtoemonster said:
All right, so earlier today I was perusing Raphael's frame data (on the wiki), and I noticed how amazing his kicks were. It shows his K is +8 on NH and CH, his 3K is +4 on NH and CH, and his WR K is +6 on NH and CH.

So my question is this: Why do I see so few videos of Raphael utilizing his kicks? Obviously they're short range, but even then, all I see is 2A.

Also to note, I'm still at work, so I can't test this myself, but I think those numbers on the Wiki might be a bit messed up. If they are, please delete this thread.

THanks!
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I use kicks plenty. No vids doesn't mean no one else uses them :)

btw: I'm not sure K is +8 anymore. It got swapped around..probably -8 on block and +2 on CH, changed after 1.03. I think this was a change to many character's K, removing the 2A-like properties from them
 
Game-Fiend said:
here s a question i want to ask everyone why do u play with raphael?
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Cuz he used to be able to auto evade, eliminating a lot of mixups.

Then later he got multiple AEs, which require you to know enemy strings.

Now I dunno why i use him.
 
'I think Raphael is a pretty cool guy. He sucks all the blood and doesn't afraid of anything.'

Actually I think it's his lines/voice actor that draws me to him. "Pathetic! Pathetic!"
 
Game-Fiend said:
here s a question i want to ask everyone why do u play with raphael?
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I've always been attracted to middle-lower tier characters, probably because I don't play competitively, so it really doesn't make a difference to me.

I also think the whole fencing thing is pretty cool, and more practical than some of the other weapons in the game. But I hate Amy so much... so Raphael kinda wins by default.

I think it would be cool though... to give Raphael Amy's moveset, but keep his range the same...
 
Kyper said:
'I think Raphael is a pretty cool guy. He sucks all the blood and doesn't afraid of anything.'

Actually I think it's his lines/voice actor that draws me to him. "Pathetic! Pathetic!"
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heh i use the jap voice sets.
 
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