Which moves are considered lagtactics in SCV?

Are there any unblockables I should pass on using that don't involve Bratsu? I've seen a lot of complaints about Bratsus 2A+B but thus far it hasn't affected me since I only ever user her style via Edge Master/Elysium :)
 
FallenAngelII said:
Anything which relies on online lag to function. Any mix-up that's telegraphic unless it's online, when it becomes 50/50, any slow move that one would be able to block/avoid on reaction offline but not online (Natsu's bombs, I'm looking at you), random unblockables out of nowhere.
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As someone who uses Natsu and fights against several of them a day in ranked, I can honestly say her bombs are a lot less safe online than Taki's were in SC4. Taki's weren't particular safe IMO; if someone was used to fighting her and knew her flow you can very easily block and dodge them, I've done so many times on reaction and had it done to me. But, SC5 is fast enough online and the animation is handled in a way where Natsu's bombs are a lot easier to see and lot less likely to evoke that deer in the headlights reaction.

I have a friend who I've been helping train in SC and he blocks bombs frequently unless I'm careful; I asked him one day if he was blocking them on prediction from me doing it too much or was it just reaction as I was being extremely careful about when and how I used them; he said most of the times he blocked it solely on reaction, because he actually has time between start up and impact to catch it.

Whatever arguments people may have about Ninja Cannon online, I feel they should be best left to SC4; SC5 in general is nowhere near as bad online as 4 was. While lag tactics will always exist in an online environment (unless infrastructure and netcode drastically improve), SC5 has brought it down to a bare minimum for a 3D fighter, and probably has the best online responsiveness I've seen outside of 2D fighters and shooters.

Granted; I think if someone wants to do nothing but spam ninja cannon or any other move simply because they think it gives them edge online rather than actually trying to learn some real viable tools, they should still have their fingers violently removed from their hands.
 
Synraii said:
If I can block Ivy's 1K online with a reasonable connection on reaction, and interrupt 2A on block ~ 2A, then lag tactics are practically gone.
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YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE PLAY ON HDTVS WITH GAME MODE NOWADAYS. MOST TVS AREN’T EVO TVS, SO IT’S LAG ON TOP OF LAG. WHATEVER YOU SAID MUST BE WRONG. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH MONEYMUFFINS.
 
EVERYTHING IS LAG TACTICKS, NEWB!!!

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MONEYMUFFINS said:
SNIP.
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I totally got an EVO TV when I replaced my dying CRT 3 years ago. Worth every penny.

720p no lag so sexy.

Wandrian said:
Are there any unblockables I should pass on using that don't involve Bratsu? I've seen a lot of complaints about Bratsus 2A+B but thus far it hasn't affected me since I only ever user her style via Edge Master/Elysium :)
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Keep doing it.

Use 2A+B in the wrong way and you'll get jump-kicked. Online is not really an excuse this time around.

Teksuo said:
Granted; I think if someone wants to do nothing but spam ninja cannon or any other move simply because they think it gives them edge online rather than actually trying to learn some real viable tools, they should still have their fingers violently removed from their hands.
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Nah... a swift kick in the ass usually works fine...


Really, though, I deal with online bullshit today by severely punishing it. And I think that's all you can really do.

Sometimes I'll taunt if someone's trying to land Mitsu 66BB or Natsu wind roll BBB on me. But I don't send any condescending messages afterwards, though.
 
HRD said:
Yeah true, but......

nope...not gonna do it!! I dont see this conversation ending pretty. Peace out yo....again
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You just mad cause I can't play game so me blame lag tactics for losses! Now give me snu snu!
 
MONEYMUFFINS said:
EVERYTHING IS A LAG TACTIC ON THE INTERNET SIMPLY BECAUSE IT ISN’T OFFLINE. THE GAME IS ALWAYS REGISTERING MY THROW BREAK JUST A TAD BIT TOO LATE AND I AM ALWAYS MISSING MY BLOCK PUNISH ON 2K JUST A TAD BIT TOO LATE. THIS DOESN’T HAPPEN OFFLINE. STOP DELUDING YOURSELVES.
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POSTING IN ALL CAPS HUGE CHARACTERS IS LAG TACTIC
GET WORSE WHEN PINK
 
Synraii said:
If I can block Ivy's 1K online with a reasonable connection on reaction, and interrupt 2A on block ~ 2A, then lag tactics are practically gone.



Lol
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the only move I can think of which might a be borderline lag crap is tiras BE move where she drills into your feet like pullum on street fighter
 
While there's always lag, SCV's net code is good enough that you can play like you would in offline. Unless you got a really bad connection I wouldnt hold back on the 1As and etc... I think we can all let go of the unwritten rules of lag tactics formed during SC4 and just try to play the game as intended. Sure lag ill screw things up, but its not the isue it was before. If u got a laggy match and someone spams 1As leave and find a good connection...we have that option now to not put up with 90% shit matches.
 
I always get complaints whenever I use Tira... especially when I use her 236k BE so much so that I have stopped using it completely Online.
 
acefrost said:
I always get complaints whenever I use Tira... especially when I use her 236k BE so much so that I have stopped using it completely Online.
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Keep using it. If it works, keep using it. I understand peeps can do peer pressure, but why should you listen to what the haters say?


Anyways, Pocky Yoshi finds it pointless to list lag tactics since SCV netcode is heaven. No more problems......except when it gets laggy due to some minor issues.......Pocky Yoshi hates minor issues.....*pouts*
 
FallenAngelII said:
Anything which relies on online lag to function. Any mix-up that's telegraphic unless it's online, when it becomes 50/50, any slow move that one would be able to block/avoid on reaction offline but not online (Natsu's bombs, I'm looking at you), random unblockables out of nowhere.
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Bombs say WHAT?! If you can't block a bomb on reaction on this game online, then chances are.....you would eat them offline.

Truth be told.....I see no lag tactics on SCV to date, the game online is fast enough to block things on reaction. I step things that I could never do on SCIV on reaction, and I'm about to punish easily on there.
 
Scesmoon said:
actually ive had several people cry and claim that astas 1K is a lag tactic. that happened to you? i know we both main asta.
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I don't use 1k often enough to make that judgment.

Probably should, but yea. Asta is all guessing anyway, use whatever.
 
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