Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

[DanteSC3]

Yes, clearly, at age 9. Before being adopted, or meeting Nightmare.

Not -at- age nine, check the timeline, her story would start in 1584, if she's the line below Sophitia. That means she's ten years old, up to at least 1587, where she would be thirteen years old, assuming her timeline doesn't go even further, as we've seen, unless the last dot is a book, there's going to be at least one more dot So she could age all the way up to sixteen by the end of the story. She would be in the Bird of Passage, and, I'll remind you, she's a fully capable member who did missions and all that. She was still emotionally unstable even before meeting Nightmare. It would be a new side of Tira we hadn't seen, but she would still be the Tira that we know and love, just younger. But the end of her story could very well be her meeting Nightmare and pledging loyalty, it's just that we're now getting Tira's origin story. I'm not sure why you're so against this.

Here is the reference if you're not aware of it:

You realise they can retcon age?

Also, we all agree that the space below Yoshimitsu is Voldo, yes?

They can, but evidence points to that they won't and they aren't, from what we've seen so far. They'd probably settle on an appearance of Tira being between thirteen and sixteen years old, much like she appears in the above image. But yes, Voldo under Yoshimitsu is most logical.

The blur is too long for Voldo.

We can't take the blurs as absolute faith, they could be longer or shorter than they actually are. They're already obfuscating on purpose, the names could be a bit longer or shorter than they actually appear to be. Look at the lines that would be Tira and Talim, the name on the "Tira" line appears to be longer than the name on the "Talim" line, for example. The only character that's really dubious is the line below Grøh. It could be Hwang, it could be a brand new character, it could even be Rock. It's hard to say. I'm going with Hwang, personally, but that's not nearly as certain as Cervantes, Lizardman, Astaroth, Tira, Voldo, and Talim are. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Fitzcarald]

That's because it's not Tira. It's Voldo.

Talim and Voldo have the same number of letters, but Talim has an "i" in it, which is the letter that takes up signifcantly less space than the others. Thus that line being slightly longer than the Talim one.

Example:

TALIM
VOLDO

 

[Macaulyn]

Placing Tira in as a possible character as "rational thought" is not rational. Certainly plausible for a DLC character, but not part of the base roster.

https://gematsu.com/gallery/albums/soulcalibur-vi/july-5-2018/Soulcalibur-VI_2018_07-05-18_033.jpg
Once again, looking at this, there's no way that Talim ISN'T occupying the space above Zasalamel. It fits in terms of timeline, and we just got confirmation that the timeline goes no further than 1590. A full year before SC2.

Even assuming that Tira would not feature in the story mode(doubtful, but possible), She would be one of the three characters who wouldn't be in it. We can't quite nail who wouldn't be in the story mode, but can assume that Cervantes wouldn't be in, the second newcomer probably wouldn't be in it, either. But of all the possible characters to get a story mode, Tira would not, over a DLC character and two fan favorites (Talim and Zasalamel). Doesn't make sense. The third would be an Edgemaster/Inferno, probably.

Tthe timeline doesn't end at 1590, it goes somewhere after it, considering the distance between 1588 and 1589, it could easily be the at the very end of 1590, which means its far from a full year before SC2, I'd say its only four months at best. And by the way, I'm quite interesting to see how Rothion will look in a fight, the poor guy never had a model despite being constantly mentioned in the stories of Sophitia and Patroklos.

 

[Windstar]

Not -at- age nine, check the timeline, her story would start in 1584, if she's the line below Sophitia. That means she's ten years old, up to at least 1587, where she would be thirteen years old, assuming her timeline doesn't go even further, as we've seen, unless the last dot is a book, there's going to be at least one more dot So she could age all the way up to sixteen by the end of the story. She would be in the Bird of Passage, and, I'll remind you, she's a fully capable member who did missions and all that. She was still emotionally unstable even before meeting Nightmare. It would be a new side of Tira we hadn't seen, but she would still be the Tira that we know and love, just younger. But the end of her story could very well be her meeting Nightmare and pledging loyalty, it's just that we're now getting Tira's origin story. I'm not sure why you're so against this.

Here is the reference if you're not aware of it:

They can, but evidence points to that they won't and they aren't, from what we've seen so far. They'd probably settle on an appearance of Tira being between thirteen and sixteen years old, much like she appears in the above image. But yes, Voldo under Yoshimitsu is most logical.

I'm not against anything dude. You have to realize this is Project Soul and Namco specifically. They can put in characters without one lick of reason, and vice versa. Keep in mind Lizardman gets to be in every Soul Calibur game over far more popular characters and the only reason why is because the development team likes the guy, contrary to the rest of the population.

I strongly doubt that they're going to put Tira in the game at age 10. Especially given how iconic her look tends to be.

Again, I can see her show up in this game, but not on the base roster and not in the story mode. She may end up being DLC, or she may not. It will largely depend.

As for who would be under Sophitia, I could see Voldo. As is, "L's" and "M's" in that font tend to be the largest letters and take up the most space. A name as short as Tira would probably take up the same amount of space as Talim's would and we know she's in the game. The name below Groh's would be the next likely candidate, but this one seems to have encounters at starting at 1583 during the Soul Edge period. So I don't see Tira fitting there, but I could see Rock. Rock's an equally short name and the spacing would be just slightly larger than Tira's.

Just try to be rational here and don't hype yourselves up for disappointment. Given the time period, the interviews and what has been said, and disregard any rumors to the contrary, it's pretty clear who will be in and who won't be.

And again, I'm still fine with being completely and utterly wrong on this.

Tthe timeline doesn't end at 1590, it goes somewhere after it, considering the distance between 1588 and 1589, it could easily be the at the very end of 1590, which means its far from a full year before SC2, I'd say its only four months at best. And by the way, I'm quite interesting to see how Rothion will look in a fight, the poor guy never had a model despite being constantly mentioned in the stories of Sophitia and Patroklos.

The news presser specifically mentions that the dates between 1583 to 1590 are the story mode. Soularchive official site also mentions that the dates for the story mode are 1583 to 1590. Just because the picture has one point just after the 1590 year line, doesn't mean it's not taking placing past 1590 and going straight on to 1591. There are twelve months in 1590, so it could end December 31st 11:59PM and still be in 1590. =)

 

[DanteSC3]

That's because it's not Tira. It's Voldo.

Talim and Voldo have the same number of letters, but Talim has an "i" in it, which is the letter that takes up signifcantly less space than the others. Thus that line being slightly longer than the Talim one.

Example:

TALIM
VOLDO

Right, I'm just saying that we shouldn't take the lengths necessarily as absolutes, when it would contradict the timeline. Taking the timeline into consideration, this seems the most logical:

I'm not against anything dude. You have to realize this is Project Soul and Namco specifically. They can put in characters without one lick of reason, and vice versa. Keep in mind Lizardman gets to be in every Soul Calibur game over far more popular characters and the only reason why is because the development team likes the guy, contrary to the rest of the population.

I strongly doubt that they're going to put Tira in the game at age 10. Especially given how iconic her look tends to be.

Again, I can see her show up in this game, but not on the base roster and not in the story mode. She may end up being DLC, or she may not. It will largely depend.

As for who would be under Sophitia, I could see Voldo. As is, "L's" and "M's" in that font tend to be the largest letters and take up the most space. A name as short as Tira would probably take up the same amount of space as Talim's would and we know she's in the game. The name below Groh's would be the next likely candidate, but this one seems to have encounters at starting at 1583 during the Soul Edge period. So I don't see Tira fitting there, but I could see Rock. Rock's an equally short name and the spacing would be just slightly larger than Tira's.

Just try to be rational here and don't hype yourselves up for disappointment. Given the time period, the interviews and what has been said, and disregard any rumors to the contrary, it's pretty clear who will be in and who won't be.

And again, I'm still fine with being completely and utterly wrong on this.

If you'll read all my posts, you'll have seen the part where I said they'll probably settle on a median age of around thirteen to sixteen for her appearance, more or less she would look as she does in that Bird of Passage image. That's Tira enough to be Tira, if a bit less wild. But it makes sense, because she would be part of an organization, not struck out on her own doing her own crazy thing while not under a direct report in a formal group setting.

Voldo makes a lot more sense to be lined up with Yoshimitsu, so under Yoshimitsu, since they have their personal skirmish where Voldo steals Yoshimitsu the sword, which leaves that slot under Sophitia open. That slot under Grøh has to be either Hwang or Rock or a new character related to Grøh, it's the only real mystery we have. All the rest have justifiable lore and reasoning to be there.

I am being fully rational, it's not like we don't have any reasonable basis for Tira to make her appearance in the SoulCalibur timeline. It would be irrational if I was making up my own story or pulling from fanfiction, but this is official source material that states that Tira was active and a capable fighter during this time period. It's better than just having Tira in just because, and it gives Tira fans more content, getting her origin story.

It is possible that I'm wrong, I'm not saying anything I'm saying with absolute authority, I'm just presenting my case with valid points, and we will see when the game comes out and/or if/when Tira is revealed and she has her Bird of Passage and younger look than what she looks like in SoulCalibur III and beyond, that would cement the already reasonable case, if that were to happen. It's a great opportunity and if they don't take it, a shame if they miss it, because it lets them just put Tira into the game for whatever reason, except they really do have just cause to do it.

 

[EbrietasSs]

Tira is 2 years older than Talim though, and Talim looks to be the same age she was in the previous games, despite the original Soulcalibur taking place 4 years earlier than SC2, where she had her debut (she would have to be 11 now) No reason for Tira to not get the same treatment. Using character age as an argument for inclusion/exclusion from the roster, when the devs clearly do not care about these things, is nonsensical and sounds like the speculation before the release of SC5 - we all know Talim should have been included in that game more than any other, age wise, but she wasn't.

 

[Wadou_Ichimonji]

Here's the Japanese version of Talim's trailer:

 

[RyanV99]

They have added Talim's profile to the website!
https://sc6.soularchive.jp/sp/character/talim.php

 

[Fitzcarald]

Right, I'm just saying that we shouldn't take the lengths necessarily as absolutes, when it would contradict the timeline. Taking the timeline into consideration, this seems the most logical

How does Voldo being on the line above Yoshi contradict the timeline so much? (honest question, by the way)

From the wiki:

In his second appearance in the sequel Soulcalibur, it is stated in his profile that Voldo's search of Soul Edge ended in failure, and he returned to the Money Pit to find it flooded by a storm. After saving what he could, Voldo remained inside for the 3 year span between both games, later to reemerge from the pit following a woman with the essence of Soul Edge, Ivy, who tried to find leads on the sword for herself.

It would seem Voldo's timeline will be heavily changed either way, so timeline concerns may be a moot point.

 

[Project Bokuho]

Also can't wait to this throw again

Spoiler: nsfw

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@Soul l0l

 

[DanteSC3]

How does Voldo being on the line above Yoshi contradict the timeline so much? (honest question, by the way)

From the wiki:

It would seem Voldo's timeline will be heavily changed either way, so timeline concerns may be a moot point.

Voldo being on the line above Yoshimitsu doesn't contradict the timeline in and of itself. Voldo being on the line below Yoshimitsu just makes more sense. My contradicting the timeline statement was at the idea that Talim could be on the line under Sophitia, which has been suggested in the past, but it isn't reasonable unless they retcon her age, which would go against other things that we've seen. They really don't seem to be retconning much of anything, they're just showing more than was ever shown before, things that were only told in bios, we'll actually get to see them, that seems to be a recurring theme.

Why Voldo being on the line below Yoshimitsu makes more sense is because of the part from his bio in SoulCalibur II, which I'll grab from the wiki too:

The profile on his next appearance, in Soulcalibur II, states how Voldo returned to the Money Pit after taking Yoshimitsu's katana, mistaking it for Soul Edge due to its evil aura, only to find years later an intruder with Soul Edge fragments. Voldo realized the katana was not Soul Edge and set out on a new search, collecting fragments while seeking it.

This happened sometime before SoulCalibur II, which is a vague statement, but it would indicate at some point prior to 1590, there would be an altercation where Yoshimitsu would take his katana back from Voldo. From Yoshi's page:

Upon leaving the castle, he sensed that the evil energy there had somehow transferred a similar energy into his katana. So he left on a journey to rid his blade of the corrupted energy. Unfortunately, he became careless one day and passed out, worn from trying to quell the corruption; during his sleep, the katana had been stolen by a thief--Voldo, who had mistaken it for Soul Edge.

Yoshimitsu did not want the evil energy to fall into the wrong hands, so he set out to retrieve it. He infiltrated the legendary Money Pit of "the Merchant of Death", Vercci, and, completely by chance, found his katana alongside a fragment of Soul Edge, both emanating similar evil energies. Yoshimitsu decided that if there was another object in the world with the same evil as his katana, which he had now named "Yoshimitsu", it mustn't be allowed to exist. And so he embarked on yet another journey, set on destroying the cursed Soul Edge.

That again is in his SoulCalibur II bio, so these things happened before SoulCalibur II. So these two things coming together, SoulCalibur VI would be seeming to place their confrontation at the year 1586, since those two lines have a dot corresponding on that time. The dots before the two dots that are corresponding, the Voldo dot would be before the Yoshimitsu dot because the Voldo dot would be Voldo taking Yoshimitsu (the sword) and the Yoshimitsu dot would be Yoshimitsu realizing that his sword was missing. This correlation doesn't occur if Voldo is on the line above Yoshimitsu.

 

[Windstar]

They have added Talim's profile to the website!
https://sc6.soularchive.jp/sp/character/talim.php

All the information here is more or less based on her SC2 profile. Although, the Wind Dancer stuff seems little more... developed than I remember.


EDIT: I posted all the new information from Groh's profile on his forum.
https://8wayrun.com/threads/time-for-a-test-the-groh-general-discussion-thread.20042/

The short and long of it - and it's pretty interesting;

-Groh developed and refined the Aval Twin Swordsmanship
-Groh apparently earned the Twelfth seat in the Organzation, then lost it after failing the kill Nightmare.
-Groh's basically trying to earn the position again, as he's skating on thin ice within the organization.

-The Aval Organization has a number of weapons that are replicas of famous ones.
-Just based on some light lore here, it seems like the CAS-mode will have some slight story details in which players are likely creating a CAS character who is a newly minted member of the Aval organization.
-The "Aerondight Replica" is considered a very special weapon within the organization and not just anyone is allowed to use it. Groh's instructor was the one who gave it to him. Odr or Ozuru, on his relationship profile.

 

[I_Love_Aogami]

@Project Bokuho why did you have to bring that up again? lol XD

 

[Psykai]

Wow, I take a day off to go to the movies and I come back to this!

So great to see Talim even though I could never play her worth for shit, lol. Her new design is nice but like many other characters (especially Siegfried) her face model doesn't match her artwork at all (seriously PLEASE fix this for EVERY character in the final release so they don't all look ripped straight out of SCIV...)

Looks like her Soul Charge (with no voice line... GG editors for not proof... watching your shit) grants her super speedy combos which is what you'd expect and want for her. The wind pushback effect looks cool too and I hope she has more wind incorporated into her moves similar to Zasalamel's time manipulation.

I too wonder why she's so big. It's pretty jarring given her age. She's hardly Yoda levels of danger when it comes to hit boxes so they could stand to make her a little shorter without too much worry.

 

[Wadou_Ichimonji]

Developer commentary on Talim's gameplay (translation from Flying Wonky's Twitter):

Talim is described as a 'tricky' up close and speedy fighter with special movement stances and a flurry of chained attacks. SC6 reworks her special Wind Saults to be more easier to use in her gameplay.

Talim also gets a new 'Air Rage' stance that can be used offensively and defensively this time in SC6. She's now capable of doing big damage by borrowing powers from the wind.

Whether it is using her Critical Edge which can actually restore her health in battle or by activating Soul Charge that augments her offensive tactics even further making for a more refined character to use in SC6.

https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201807060023/
https://twitter.com/Flying_Wonkey/status/1015082262977654784

 

[Windstar]

 

[T.Rex]

Talim on instagram VS Talim in real life

 

[artard4321]

He guys, I don't have much time right now, but I just finished posting my thoughts about my testing yesterday. You find the link here :https://twitter.com/Hayate_Ein/status/1014873749353574402

Now I'am working to upload our matchs.

Glad to see Talim, but she was hinted by Okubo. She seems 2years younger, so maybe she actually fits below Sophia's Timeline like I suggested in my last video.

Also recently I got some other source confirming multiple leaked characters... so it becoming all crazy right now.

Were you able to find out if the character select screen size from the E3 build is finalized? I'm really hoping for more characters.
I really want Hwang to return, should I feel disappointed?

 

[LisaK]

Seiyuu are listed on the site as well.

Mitsurugi - 森川智之 (Toshiyuki Morikawa)
Sophitia - 中村千絵 (Chie Nakamura)
Groh - 櫻井孝宏 (Takahiro Sakurai)
Night/Sieg - 檜山修之 (Nobuyuki Hiyama)
Xianghua - 洲崎綾 (Aya Suzaki), formely Ryōko Shintani
Kilik - 保志総一朗 (Sōichirō Hoshi)
Ivy - 沢城みゆき (Miyuki Sawashiro)
Zasalamel - 土田大 (Hiroshi Tsuchida)
Geralt - 山路和弘 (Kazuhiro Yamaji)
Taki - 森なな子 (Nanako Mori), formely Sachiko Kojima
Yoshimitsu - 若本規夫 (Norio Wakamoto)
Maxi - 喜山茂雄 (Shigeo Kiyama)
Talim - 田村ゆかり (Yukari Tamura)

 

[Fitzcarald]

That again is in his SoulCalibur II bio, so these things happened before SoulCalibur II. So these two things coming together, SoulCalibur VI would be seeming to place their confrontation at the year 1586, since those two lines have a dot corresponding on that time. The dots before the two dots that are corresponding, the Voldo dot would be before the Yoshimitsu dot because the Voldo dot would be Voldo taking Yoshimitsu (the sword) and the Yoshimitsu dot would be Yoshimitsu realizing that his sword was missing. This correlation doesn't occur if Voldo is on the line above Yoshimitsu.

Sounds reasonable, though it would be very odd for there to be so much space between a dot representing Voldo stealing the sword and Yoshi waking up to find it missing minutes/hours later. You would think showing that event (do we know if there are events without combat beyond the empty circles that seem to represent endings?) from both viewpoints would be represented either by a corresponding dots or adjacent dots. Basically, trying to guess what each dot means involves tons of guesswork ( especially since not every event would necessarily need to be shown from all perspectives)

I find the blur lenghts far more tangible, since this first one we can pretty confidantly say we know (due to Talim's largely necessary place on the timeline) was pretty darn accurate.