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DLC Theory: Stone *is* Rock
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Crash X
[14] Master
Inb4 the last DLC character becomes a platform exclusive veteran. Hwang for PC, Aeon for XB1, and Rock for PS4. 
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
You think any of the SCV kids have a chance?
Crash X
[14] Master
If they were going to bring in any of the SCV newbies it would be Viola.
Heniek
[13] Hero
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RyujiSakamoto
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Viola and ZWEI are not “kids” viola is a real woman. And kids don’t leave their pants unzipped in the same manner that Zwei does.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
Yeah, true, she was the only well-received newcomer. However, they would have pull something to reboot her in which would be drastic. Like having Azwel make an adult clone of Amy or something, which yeah, I can see after the Viola teaser in her story.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
Viola would break continuity, otherwise I'd be all for her coming back for the grey/silver slot. I'd much rather see Z.W.E.I., though, at least to have a full answer on his backstory instead of it being shrouded in mystery. I wouldn't say Z.W.E.I. was necessarily poorly-received, it's just that he was legitimately and objectively awful to play as, because he didn't get enough love to be buffed post-launch as he desperately needed. He had potential, he just wasn't capable of standing a real chance stacked up to everyone else. Design-wise, yay, but gameplay... eh. Cool idea, poor execution.
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RyujiSakamoto
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ZWEI is relevant because we need to see Groh transform into him and unzip his pants.
He's likely the 4th silver slot. Perhaps we should ask for Pat and Pyrrha in the survey Project Soul recently put out? I also saw a petition going around for ZWEI in season 2.
He's likely the 4th silver slot. Perhaps we should ask for Pat and Pyrrha in the survey Project Soul recently put out? I also saw a petition going around for ZWEI in season 2.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
It's a reboot, though I know you won't accept it, everyone else has. They don't need to worry about those things because reboots are all about changing the continuity. If they want to reboot Viola by making an adult clone of Amy courtesy of Azwel, then what's to stop them? I was actually hoping some people would respond to what I said before you inevitably showed up.
Le sigh.
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RyujiSakamoto
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Don't forget that the new character select screen background represents the holy roman empire. The pink slot could go to pyrrha or pat because they are holy warriors
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
DanteSC3
[14] Master
You should really stop projecting yourself onto "everyone", because "everyone" has definitely not accepted the reboot status of the game, as I explained previously. Making an adult clone of Amy would clash with what was shown already. Azwel clearly projected Amy's future being Viola, it's not rocket science to figure that out. If it were a reboot and they could do whatever they wanted, sure, but the evidence is still weighing heavily on it not being a reboot because of their repeated insistence on remaining true to the original plot.
But me responding doesn't mean other people can't respond. My response doesn't and never has invalidated anyone else's response. There's really no need to be so defensive with regards to my posts, and you should lighten up a bit, for everyone's sake.
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RyujiSakamoto
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I don't think it's a "reboot" as it carries the VI in it's name. It's a "pivot" away from the bad story beats of SCV.
SCV still happened but SCVI can be them "avoiding" the dark fate that occurs. Or SCVI can lead to them "fixing" the dark fate. A full "reboot" though? No I don't think so.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
Ok, fine. Not everyone.
Just 99% barring outliers such as yourself.
How many times do I have to point out that the changes were minimal because the game of focus is the fucking Golden Age of SC? You don't fuck with that. However, there are numerous deviations, including the two big ones that I thought for sure would convince you, yet you just keep trucking on.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
SCV could be considered canon, but it's clearly established as an alternate timeline to be avoided. So if you want to go with that sense, it's not a full-on reboot as the old continuity still exists, but isn't the one we're going through now.
Spanky
[13] Hero
I think what I do about seniority mainly because, and I'm sure this is bias on my part, I get the impression that this game is catering to fan nostalgia. At least, that's how it seemed while it was in development and during the first season -- we've been getting a lot of waifus who don't technically belong in the current time frame but have been worked in because people remembered them from past games and wanted them in anyway despite the SC1 time period. Exceptions were made for the waifus accordingly, and we got Amy and Cass, who missed SCV and who had been sorely missed by players. It seems that Project Soul has tried to deliver fans' wishes for certain characters to return.
It was my suspicion based on that, that Project Soul was perhaps taking a nostalgic angle and making sure to bring back old favorites. I surmised that the waifus were a priority and were thus released first, hence we are still waiting to get (if we ever get) Rock, Yun/Hwang and Lizard Man; in theory we may still eventually get those remaining characters.
HOWEVER, you can definitely poke holes in the way I'm looking at it as described above. I think you may be on to something... there may indeed be a reason we're still waiting to get Rock, Hwang, and Lizard Man, and maybe that reason is because they won't energize the fanbase quite the way other characters would, in terms of popularity and hype, even though some folks may still be requesting them.
As for the interview, I have seen that text before. I find Okubo's response to be very enigmatic. The enthusiast in me WANTS to believe we may get a new character this season given the way he responded. I am wary of how ambivalent his response was, however, since it wasn't a hard, "yes we'll get a new character" so I'm trying to temper my expectations.
Tl; dr: it's mostly just a personal suspicion/personal bias that pre-existing characters would get prioritized over a newcomer. I want to keep waiting to see Season 2 unfold because I want to know what developments for the roster might be tied into Okubo's comment in that interview you cited.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
99% is still far too high. If I'm being bold to assume to try and speak for the entirety of the fanbase, I would say a more accurate representation is probably only about 10% even cares about the story at large to begin with, so in that being the case, the 1%, if you're saying is right, is more like 10% of folks who care about the story. I'm not the only one even on this site who doesn't believe in the reboot, so in other communities, I'm sure there are dozens and dozens more of us out there who can read between the lines and connect the dots of our murky future. Just accepting it's a reboot is too easy, when there's so many connected threads of things that are loyal to the original, paired with hints dropped about the future, for SoulCalibur II through SoulCalibur V. Including SoulCalibur V being the important part, not leaving it out in the cold.
I look forward to SoulCalibur VII finally settling this dispute one way or the other, honestly. But whoever came up with the "original timeline" and "new timeline" concepts, admitted them as fact, and spread that across the internet committed a premature judgment in my opinion, and due to its inclusion on the wiki, which some take as law, even though it is only created by fans, not officially backed by Namco or Project Soul in any capacity, it's caused a bias against the very real possibility that there is only one timeline, and emboldens folks such as yourself to call out those who see it the way I do as foolish, instead of rationally debating why it could or could not be the case. It is completely uncertain one way or the other, for now, and both sides might be right, at a completely equal 50-50 chance. That's my stance, anyway.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
You know why I get so angry at you with this? It's because I can't have even one, and I mean one motherfucking conversation about this without you instantly jumping in with this bullshit. Every fucking time.
It's like you have some kind sixth sense with this shit. You know how tiresome that is? Oh, and I LOOOOOOVE your Groh = Z.W.E.I. theory, and in case you couldn't tell, that's sarcasm. There is NOTHING connecting the two, and they have nothing in common besides an over-the-top appearance but that's hardly exclusive to them. If they were connected, we'd actually get hints to it. Hell, they don't even have the same stats in appearance, nor do they share voice actors. Compare to Raphael = Nightmare in SCV being legitimate, because they do.
And yeah, it is backed by Okubo. It came straight from him, he said it was the entire theme of the game, and there's overwhelming evidence to support it, and the best you can do is cite Okubo making a vague comment in an interview. It's a flimsy argument, but it's all you got. Oh, and it's one easily countered, considering it can easily be referring to this being a new timeline and the old one still being canon in a form. You seem to think being a reboot must be a drastic reinvention of the original, but that's not it. A reboot is simply a new continuity, which this is.
I'm tired of this shit.
Every. Fucking Time.
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