Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

sytus said:
Li Long and Rock get the same hostility as Hwang, that they would rather have guests or someone new instead of these boring characters. This is just the way things are, haters gonna hate. Personally I don't think you've got anything to worry about considering the hex leaks, it seems that the fan outcry has potentially brought Hwang back.
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I'am not worried about Hwang being canceled. I'am just sad that people prefer trying to sabotage the enjoyement that every fan deserve, just to manage to show dev team that they are upset about the decision. it only ends with more negativity for the game and less enjoyable context for more season pass.

I'am not just thinking to have Hwang. I want that game does well so we can have a SC7. That the most fans can enjoy their characters, Yun, Rock fans etc... included. And it will bring us to nowhere to just build hate on a non released yet character. Let's see if they're gonna solve the problem of Yun/Hwang, they already started in SC3AE.

If Hwang ends up having tons of Yun moves, and Yun not showing in Hwang chronicles I will be the first to help Yun fans being mad against Namco, not because I want to help them for solidarity, but because I don't thing Hwang/Yun situation can be solved without putting both with different moveset. And I don't think I can hope seeing Hwang in a different timeline if he isn't completly different than Yun.

So we both have the same solution to solve this. Maybe Hwang coming first is logical due to narration. They had to finish the side story of Mina and Hwang inside story, and will introduce Yun at the end, cause his own story if he is in the game will mostly be around him idolizing Hwang and getting bullying by Mina in the Dojo, so Hwang is a center piece here for Story, and dev team seems to love story.
 
Thylacine492 said:
As one of the three (as said by LisaK) other Yun Seong fans, the only thing that would potentially make me dislike Hwang would be if they gave him Yun’s crane stance and/or his unique movement options (land walk, crane swoop, and his backflips from crane).

That being said, I am actually excited to see what they will do with Hwang considering how they’ve handled the rest of the cast.
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Yeah, it would be a crying shame if Hwang ends up with Crane stance.

Some thoughts on how gameplay wises Yun Seong and Hwang could be different (which means i'm hoping for a S3)

• Yun seong feels like the flashier higher risk/higher reward version of Hwang. He's the Cass to Hwang's sophie.

• He's also a character with a lot of cancel-able / delay-able multi hit strings (sort of like xianghua) that can turn normally unsafe moves pseudo-safe and possibly lead him to turning a disadvantage into an advantage. Having a lot of fake-outs but also a lot of held-charge moves encourages a lot of offensive creativity.

• He also has a main stance (Crane) and a couple of "substances" in land walk and crane swoop, which also helps the above point in making himself harder to punish, maintain pressure, and mentally tax the opponent.

• For multi-hit strings, Yun Seong could have kick enders (ie 2BK vs 2BB input) if the initial attack animation is the same as Hwang's

• No shame in ripping off Tekken kick animations! Yun Seong better end up with at least one aerial kick attack-throw.

• Yun might end up being the more gimmicky character that you need to lab against, while Hwang ends up having a really solid/dependable core 5-10 moves at high level play.
 
LisaK said:
This moves are from him, so he should take.. i thought you have watched this.. Kappa
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There's like 4 different post SoulEdge movelist iterations of Hwang so I get them mixed up sometimes....

That being said I think I will finally make a video comparing what Assassin and Yun-Seong share in SC2 move by move. Though the problem is that Assassin doesn't have an in game list of moves or any pre-recorded. I'll have to go in game, record myself doing the moves in shitty fashion and then compare them.

Hopefully the 8wayrun Assassin movelist is accurate!
 
I'm currently listening to Zasalamel's Soul Chronicle and I just had a wild thought. What if Edge Master is King Arthur? Considering Excalibur is supposed to Soul Calibur (it's in the name) and that Edge Master knows how to summon Soul Calibur through Geralt's Soul Chronicle, I can't help but think he is. If this is the case, then perhaps he faked his death to continue his guardian role in the shadows for generations to come.
 
WuHT said:
Yeah, it would be a crying shame if Hwang ends up with Crane stance.

Some thoughts on how gameplay wises Yun Seong and Hwang could be different (which means i'm hoping for a S3)

• Yun seong feels like the flashier higher risk/higher reward version of Hwang. He's the Cass to Hwang's sophie.

• He's also a character with a lot of cancel-able / delay-able multi hit strings (sort of like xianghua) that can turn normally unsafe moves pseudo-safe and possibly lead him to turning a disadvantage into an advantage. Having a lot of fake-outs but also a lot of held-charge moves encourages a lot of offensive creativity.

• He also has a main stance (Crane) and a couple of "substances" in land walk and crane swoop, which also helps the above point in making himself harder to punish, maintain pressure, and mentally tax the opponent.

• For multi-hit strings, Yun Seong could have kick enders (ie 2BK vs 2BB input) if the initial attack animation is the same as Hwang's

• No shame in ripping off Tekken kick animations! Yun Seong better end up with at least one aerial kick attack-throw.

• Yun might end up being the more gimmicky character that you need to lab against, while Hwang ends up having a really solid/dependable core 5-10 moves at high level play.
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In terms of gameplay, he was always supposed to be (if his frame data wasn’t crap) the more aggressive character of the two and in many ways could be considered similar to Cassandra, Xianghua, and Talim. His unique animations are flashier/more reckless than Hwang’s (especially in 4) and his kicks are better suited for close combat, he has moves either shared with or inspired by Xianghua, and he had some (he lost mobility in 3 and 4) of the best mobility of the male cast in addition to having a surprising amount of evasive properties to his attacks.

As for having an aerial kick attack throw, he has one. I’m not sure if it’s in SC3 (my ps2 broke a few years ago) but in SC4 Crane 8K against an airborne opponent led to an attack throw that had a just frame for extra damage.
 
I just discovered that the person who keeps saying that “Hwang will probably use Yun-Seong’s moves” is the same person who spread this phrase around “they will make room for Haohmaru by nerfing Geralt”

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So I’d say the judgement behind this theory is flawed
 
Thylacine492 said:
As for having an aerial kick attack throw, he has one. I’m not sure if it’s in SC3 (my ps2 broke a few years ago) but in SC4 Crane 8K against an airborne opponent led to an attack throw that had a just frame for extra damage.
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I think (memory's been hazy since it's been over a decade) that the only combo path was 33B~crane into CR 8K.. nothing else really combo'd into it.
I'm hoping in SC6 if he returns, the devs will make such an attack-throw more viable
 
WuHT said:
What will Hwang's arch-type be ?

He'll probably be another middle-of-the-road solid meat and potatoes swordsman (like mitsu or geralt) where he has strong fundamentals at everything but doesn't have anything too crazy and doesn't have glaring weaknesses

As a DLC, its not "take my money" exciting, except for the fact we haven't seen him in HD quality and that he's been seen in the Mina story line.
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Hwang Archetype is the "Assassin"

Most of his versions of his move are straight forward attack, where he aim vitals parts and don't really push the fancy stuffs.

The best example is how the 44B move has evolved for Hwang, Yun and Xiang:
  • it's fast attack for Xiang with a Parry ability at the end
  • it's smoother backswing with a cancel for Yun
  • it's high hitting (head) but KND with combo for Hwang

Dissidia said:
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perhaps they really will just use the SC3 AE movelist as the basis for SC6
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Also this is the SC3 AE moveset, there is still some moves they didn't used (I don't understand yet why) that Hwang can have and are unique to him. Like WR A which was a signature from the beginning, and new moves added in console version.
 
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I don't see Hwang needing Yun's moves or anything that will upset the fan bases for the two. I have a feeling that if Project Soul is bringing Hwang in for S2, they'll have taken the time to ensure he has a moveset that is fairly distinct and that will differentiate him from Yun. The two of them won't be fighting over crane stance, lol. I'm getting this impression from remembering the way that Mina was introduced for SCVI with a good moveset despite the sense of pessimism that Kilik was going to be a stronger character with a similar fighting style (I hope I'm remembering that correctly from when that was at issue; if not I will have to take the L, haha).

Edit: fixed to say season 2, not season 3, lol.
 
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Spanky said:
I don't see Hwang needing Yun's moves or anything that will upset the fan bases for the two. I have a feeling that if Project Soul is bringing Hwang in for S3, they'll have taken the time to ensure he has a moveset that is fairly distinct and that will differentiate him from Yun. The two of them won't be fighting over crane stance, lol. I'm getting this impression from remembering the way that Mina was introduced for SCVI with a good moveset despite the sense of pessimism that Kilik was going to be a stronger character with a similar fighting style (I hope I'm remembering that correctly from when that was at issue; if not I will have to take the L, haha).
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Hwang is apparently coming in season two, though, not season three. So Hwang first means we would get him as our (for now) only Korean swordsman style in SoulCalibur VI. If he doesn’t take Yun-seong’s archetypical style, then people who were looking forward to Yun-seong would be left disappointed.

That’s, I think, the only reason anyone thinks that Hwang might take Yun-seong’s stuff, to attempt to please both groups at once. But then, if Yun-seong comes in season three, then it’s awkward if Hwang already has a good portion of his moves. Comparing Kilik and Mi-na, on the other hand, since they were both launch characters, there wasn’t a delay in their styles coexisting, so there was no implied pressure for either to take things from the other.

But ideally, if they know that there’s going to be a season three already, and Yun-seong is indeed planned for it, then they’ll just keep Hwang unique to himself and we can finally put an end to the clone judgments. It would be better, in the long run, if this were the case.
 
DanteSC3 said:
Hwang is apparently coming in season two, though, not season three. So Hwang first means we would get him as our (for now) only Korean swordsman style in SoulCalibur VI. If he doesn’t take Yun-seong’s archetypical style, then people who were looking forward to Yun-seong would be left disappointed.

That’s, I think, the only reason anyone thinks that Hwang might take Yun-seong’s stuff, to attempt to please both groups at once. But then, if Yun-seong comes in season three, then it’s awkward if Hwang already has a good portion of his moves. Comparing Kilik and Mi-na, on the other hand, since they were both launch characters, there wasn’t a delay in their styles coexisting, so there was no implied pressure for either to take things from the other.

But ideally, if they know that there’s going to be a season three already, and Yun-seong is indeed planned for it, then they’ll just keep Hwang unique to himself and we can finally put an end to the clone judgments. It would be better, in the long run, if this were the case.
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Oops, I meant Season 2, lol!!! I fixed my post. :p
I was thinking of that, that PS may try to please both groups at once by giving some of Yun's stuff to Hwang. I would hope they wouldn't really do this though, only because it reminds me of SCV, in that they gave recognized characters' moves to characters you didn't normally associate them with (kids getting their parents' moves and not just including their parents, the OGs, ffs). Though that may not be the best comparison.
I agree with you, it would be strange to have Hwang with Yun's moves. I think it would conflict with the opportunity to add Yun to a third season.
 
DanteSC3 said:
Hwang is apparently coming in season two, though, not season three. So Hwang first means we would get him as our (for now) only Korean swordsman style in SoulCalibur VI. If he doesn’t take Yun-seong’s archetypical style, then people who were looking forward to Yun-seong would be left disappointed.
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I expect Season 3 to be announced very soon after Hwang's release if not on the same day. Hwang's story chronicle will most definitely have Yun's cameos in it and we also have the whole Groh's additional story chapters leading somewhere important.
In other words, Yun fans won't have much time at all to entertain the idea of Hwang being the only Korean swordsman when all is said and done.
 
Dissidia said:

Welcome to my idea of hell. Hwang with Yun’s moves and stance. It just doesn’t look right at all. Especially the moves added post SC2 where he’s got this jumpy monkey thing going on...
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All this time i read the general discussion about Hwang ang Yun-Seung and did not really care about it, because they are 2 characters i'm not really interested in.
But that video remind me of how cool Yun's moveset was, now i'm hoping for him. Hwang can come too but If there is Season 3 let it include Yun.
 
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