Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Reptile will do multiple acid spit on Kostas and Gatsu

like this-

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I dont think anyone actually thought that, though I do dare hope.

In before Amy quotes.

If SoulCalibur did get an FFVII guest though, I wonder if they would get an english voice.
 
RyujiSakamoto said:
So do you guys still think Tifa is going to be the premiere guest for Season 3 after the Sephiroth Smash reveal?
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I've actually felt she was one of the leading candidates for a Season 3 guest for a long while now--and beyond any probability or her cross-promotional value, I just think she makes a lot of sense from a design perspective. But I'm not sure the Smasheroth announcement changes the calculations much, one or way or another.
 
RyujiSakamoto said:
So do you guys still think Tifa is going to be the premiere guest for Season 3 after the Sephiroth Smash reveal?
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No, I'd rather have Tifa on TEKKEN and Cloud on SOULCALIBUR if Bandai Namco is going this route especially since Cloud was supposed to be the guest character in SOULCALIBUR II.

But anyway, I still think that FINAL FANTASY VII characters can be saved for SOULCALIBUR VII especially if FINAL FANTASY VII R2 and SOULCALIBUR VII will come out around the same time. They can do many things with a "VII x VII" collaboration promotion. Cloud is also one of those "timeless" characters that are iconic enough to be a relevant guest character at any era of gaming (like the Star Wars characters) so it doesn't matter which game between FF7R2 and SC7 launches first nor the gap between launches. This adds versatility for scheduling promotions.

Then again, I wouldn't mind if they settled for adding Clive from FINAL FANTASY XVI as a guest for SOULCALIBUR VII instead. As a FINAL FANTASY XIV player, I firmly believe that FF16 will be a very successful title if the quality of the story is even a fraction of what the development team told in SHADOWBRINGERS.
 
artard4321 said:
No, I'd rather have Tifa on TEKKEN and Cloud on SOULCALIBUR if Bandai Namco is going this route especially since Cloud was supposed to be the guest character in SOULCALIBUR II.
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I actually think Tifa's quality of movement (especially as rendered in the remake) is a much closer fit with Soulcalibur's mechanics than Tekken's: Tifa's aesthetic and presentation as a fighter is all about speed an maneuverability, something that will come across much better as rendered in a 8WR system than it would in Tekken's 2.5D staccato combat; armed vs. unarmed should not really be treated as anything more than a superficial feature when deciding which of these two franchise a character is better off being ported to.

artard4321 said:
But anyway, I still think that FINAL FANTASY VII characters can be saved for SOULCALIBUR VII especially if FINAL FANTASY VII R2 and SOULCALIBUR VII will come out around the same time. They can do many things with a "VII x VII" collaboration promotion. Cloud is also one of those "timeless" characters that are iconic enough to be a relevant guest character at any era of gaming (like the Star Wars characters) so it doesn't matter which game between FF7R2 and SC7 launches first nor the gap between launches. This adds versatility for scheduling promotions.
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You're probably right that Cloud is plenty "timeless" enough to be able to attract some sales even outside of the immediate launch window of a product in their native franchise, but remember that it's not just a matter of whether or not the character can pull enough sales for the game that character is operating as a guest in: the timing also has to be attractive to SE for it's own promotional purpose, or else they have no motivation to offer a sweetheart deal on the licensing, and the prospect becomes significantly less likely.

That said, the timing isn't impossible: Soulcalibur VII isn't likely to come out for another four or five years now, at least (whatever the wishful thinkers want to believe), but that could easily be roughly synchronous with the third FFVII-R installment. But for all we know, part of the agreement licensing Cloud to Smash includes limitation on his being licensed to identified third parties that are competitors with Smash. Even if not, I'm not sure they would be jumping to lend him out to another fighter.

Anyway, I honestly don't know why anyone would want Cloud rather than Tifa. Cloud is just a broody emo superman with the fashion sense of a Matrix extra. The only reason for 9/10 of the general familiarity with Cloud exists among gamers is because of the image of him holding his buster sword with those scrawny little arms--and that's just any ordinary dude in Soulcal verse.Kappa
 
Rusted Blade said:
Anyway, I honestly don't know why anyone would want Cloud rather than Tifa. Cloud is just a broody emo superman with the fashion sense of a Matrix extra. The only reason for 9/10 of the general familiarity with Cloud exists among gamers is because of the image of him holding his buster sword with those scrawny little arms--and that's just any ordinary dude in Soulcal verse.
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Because I'm also a TEKKEN fan (even though I like SOULCALIBUR more) and I think she fits in TEKKEN better. I too prefer Tifa over Cloud but I'm just going for what makes sense lol. I like characters that fight with their fists in TEKKEN and characters that fight with their weapons in SOULCALIBUR.

Unlike SOULCALIBUR (sadly), TEKKEN (which is more popular) doesn't need for the guest character to be the poster character of its game and can add characters like Akuma and Geese which are side characters that people in the FGC are familiar with but characters that people outside the FGC probably won't recognize. SOULCALIBUR can get more exposure by putting in the main poster character of a popular game like Cloud as the guest character.

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On the other hand though, since we're talking about Season 3, we're at a point where the target audience are the core SOULCALIBUR fans rather than new players. Anyone who doesn't already have SOULCALIBUR at this point is unlikely to get the game even if their favorite character from their favorite game is added as a guest in Season 3 (I do think that some guest characters like Cloud or Tifa will make the core fans very happy but isn't a necessary addition). I personally think that a new character alongside returning characters would be a lot more effective marketing-wise than adding in a guest since new characters add a level of mystique (kind of like the reworked Hwang did) that core fans would be interested in trying out. It's also what TEKKEN did with Leroy and Fahkumram in Season 3. If anything, the licensing and acquisition of a guest character would be more trouble than it's worth at this stage of the game's life cycle.

I'm more inclined to believe that we'll get Iska/Acht as a new addition if it's between a new character or a guest for Season 3.
 
artard4321 said:
Because I'm also a TEKKEN fan (even though I like SOULCALIBUR more) and I think she fits in TEKKEN better. I too prefer Tifa over Cloud but I'm just going for what makes sense lol. I like characters that fight with their fists in TEKKEN and characters that fight with their weapons in SOULCALIBUR.
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Well, for my take on that, I'll just refer back to the first portion of my last post: I think the weapon/no weapon thing is one the more superficial bases by which to situate a guest, which is why that principle has never been a strict guide for guests in either franchise. The quality of movement and the best match in terms of mechanics are the best way to predict where they might land.

artard4321 said:
Unlike SOULCALIBUR (sadly), TEKKEN (which is more popular) doesn't need for the guest character to be the poster character of its game and can add characters like Akuma and Geese which are side characters that people in the FGC are familiar with but characters that people outside the FGC probably won't recognize. SOULCALIBUR can get more exposure by putting in the main poster character of a popular game like Cloud as the guest character.
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But that's a bit of a false choice: they aren't selecting characters from just one franchise and a non-poster child character from a Triple-A franchise can easily be a better choice than the main character of a less acclaimed title. With Cloud and Sephiroth both in Smash now, there's a lot of reason to believe neither is likely to be licensed out to another fighter any time soon. That leaves Tifa as they closest thing to a FFVII-R headliner. But honestly, I'd argue she'd be a better fit for SC mechanically than Cloud and Sephirtoh even if they were on the table.

artard4321 said:
On the other hand though, since we're talking about Season 3, we're at a point where the target audience are the core SOULCALIBUR fans rather than new players. Anyone who doesn't already have SOULCALIBUR at this point is unlikely to get the game even if their favorite character from their favorite game is added as a guest in Season 3 (I do think that some guest characters like Cloud or Tifa will make the core fans very happy but isn't a necessary addition). I personally think that a new character alongside returning characters would be a lot more effective marketing-wise than adding in a guest since new characters add a level of mystique (kind of like the reworked Hwang did) that core fans would be interested in trying out. It's also what TEKKEN did with Leroy and Fahkumram in Season 3.
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Hmmm, I actually think the situation reads in the inverse fashion: most any dedicated franchise fan already has the game, and the number of general fighting game enthusiast willing to give the game a shot dwindles increasingly to a trickle the further out from the release of the game and its novelty and buzz--especially as we head into the technical leap forward of a new console generation. A guest character from a big name title is probably more valuable than ever in terms of generating some buy-in of the core game, relative to the other options for DLC. Though, emphasis on the "relative" there: I don't think any season passes right now are going to drive a whole lot of new sales this far in, regardless of the content choices you make for those seasons: at this point the season passes are probably overwhelmingly being bought by people who are already part of the core game's established install base.

artard4321 said:
I'm more inclined to believe that we'll get Iska/Acht as a new addition if it's between a new character or a guest for Season 3.
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Ehhh, I'm trying not to stake out firm positions on this topic in general, because it's going to be so long before we know for sure, but fairly certain that's not going to happen: some random soul chronicle character getting promoted to a main roster character tanks somewhere below Necrid, time traveling Patroklos, and Gel-o-Fury in hierarchy of probabilities. But you can happily make me eat crow if I turn out to be wrong!
 
It boggles me that PS still has not cleaned up Haohmaru's animations after two balance updates.

Or is his clipping, partly unreadable animation supposed to emulate a 2D sprite fighters' feel? Not a bug after all, but a feature?

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Project Bokuho said:
Wouldn't Tifa make more sense in Tekken or DOA?
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Please not DOA, Lord . . . . come on, God, I trusted you! 🥺

However, I personally don’t have a very harsh rebuttal, anymore, for if Tifa ends up in Soulcalibur OR Tekken. I just gladly go back to a very good time and place in my life — when Monty Oum was alive.

And though this could be considered unrelated, I still DEEPLY AND FIERCELY appreciate the little “Dead Fantasy” episodes that Monty created and tampered with in preparation for his more famous series. Especially loving how many Tekken and SC animations I could properly catch in each fight, one thing to throw up in the air for PS is to go about with Tifa in the fashion that Monty had! Yes, I’m aware that the way she fights in DF is inaccurate, but if she’s a yes for SC, won’t she be similarly “edited”?

 
KALAFINA said:
Please not DOA, Lord . . . . come on, God, I trusted you! 🥺

However, I personally don’t have a very harsh rebuttal, anymore, for if Tifa ends up in Soulcalibur OR Tekken. I just gladly go back to a very good time and place in my life — when Monty Oum was alive.

And though this could be considered unrelated, I still DEEPLY AND FIERCELY appreciate the little “Dead Fantasy” episodes that Monty created and tampered with in preparation for his more famous series. Especially loving how many Tekken and SC animations I could properly catch in each fight, one thing to throw up in the air for PS is to go about with Tifa in the fashion that Monty had! Yes, I’m aware that the way she fights in DF is inaccurate, but if she’s a yes for SC, won’t she be similarly “edited”?

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Yup, Monty was not just a profoundly gifted artist in his own right: he also was a student of human movement who made a point of observing the subject in every context he could, from practical real world martial arts and dance to just about every form of media which ever made a contribution to the genre of action choreography--from golden era film to classical Hong Kong cinema, to modern wushu epics, to animated hits and contemporary trends in games, he studied it and let it inform his own brilliant work.

As a consequence, his work (especially his early stuff, like Dead Fantasy) is peppered with little split second allusions to some classic works, woven into the captivating flow of his fight sequences: in any given sixty seconds of a Dead Fantasy fight, you're probably going to see a few seconds of material that reference John Woo, Shaw Brothers, Akira Kurosawa, Bruce Lee, Yuem Woo Ping, Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Ninja Gaiden, Kingdom Hearts, Sword of the Stranger--and who knows what else, because very few people indeed were well-versed enough in the field to catch all of his references.

None of which is to suggest that his work was derivative--far from it: as an animator, creative director, and choreographer he was almost in a class of his own in how he synergized the world of fantasy martial arts action into something new and innovative. But he wasn't shy about taking little beats to make homages to past masters of the form. And though I never heard him directly reference Soulcalibur in an interview, I agree that it was clearly a part of his vast array of influences: aside from the couple of flourishes you recognized in Dead Fantasy, his RWBY characters Weiss and Pyhrra clearly borrow heavily from Amy and Sophitia, respectively, both in their quality of movement and character design. Then there's also this: anyone who's played the Japanese versions of Soulcalibur II-IV will instantly recognize that a good portion of the voice assets utilized for punctuation in the first two Dead Fantasy shorts were "borrowed" directly from those games--ikimasu!!

EDIT: But mind you, while I think Monty's DF Tifa is fairly faithful to the character's fight stylization in the broad strokes, I have to imagine that if she were a guest in SCVI that her moveset would be fairly directly sourced from the original FFVII, the remake, Advent Children, and the other Compilations of FFVII works--without much need for any more extrapolation than is necessary to get her to fit into the SC mechanics as a balanced character--as this seems to be the approach preferred by PS for developing most guests, and there's no real shortage of cannon material for them to adapt fairly directly in this respect.
 
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At least for these Dev's:

• Rock's storyline country of origin isn't that important. My take is that should S3 happen, he won't really have any British traits. This is allows him to take on tropes of other warrior cultures. On the flip side Ivy partially has already embraced the elegant english noblewoman. I hope that Rock won't return as a drunken soccer hooligan.
• Rock's trait as a compassionate father yet untameably wild muscle-dude is core to his identity.

Hopefully this allows Rock's SC6 S3 return to take on more aesthetics from the North American warrior cultures in the ~late 16th century. I'm not familiar with how the japanese depict it (head band + feather / tasseled clothing / denim clothing / war paint / barechested).
• the stern yet warm-hearted giant T.Hawk from SF (might be closest to Rock's tropes)
• Julia / Michelle chang from Tekken which really are fundamentally east asian martial artist cosplaying and having a love of saving the trees. Has a bevy of brutal pro-wrestling grapples.
• Samurai Shodown's Black Hawk, with his dual hatchet and pre-battle invocation to draw the strength of the earth.
• Wolf Hawkfield from Virtual Fighter: Gentle, yet nature-loving giant muscle man (see where they're going with this) who happens to employ pro-wrestling in his arsenal.

I haven't mentioned the nightwolf / chief thunder as they're not japanese creations. Based on a common japanese perception of the North American warrior cultures, its unlikely that a returning Rock would veer far from the above depictions.

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Just like how Hwang is a fusion between an accomplished Korean military swordsman + bloodborne secret hunter of evil, maybe Rock can do the fusion design as well!

Maybe Rock can fuse Native warrior tropes + Berserker (his secret SC2 namesake) Viking tropes. Whats in common with these 2 warrior cultures is that they happen to:
• Wear animal hides
• Mystical connection to Ravens / Bears
• War paint
• bare chested
• Attunement with animal totems
• emphasis on brutal strength
• Handy with dual hatchet/tomahawks
• Warhammer/warclub is also very fitting weapon

Main differences (that I can tell)
• clean shaven native warrior vs giant braided beards of the berserkers
• Feather adornments vs horned metal helms

I don't have a lot of confidence with Japanese depictions of scandinavian warriors (look at Groh) but maybe they want to give it another crack.
 
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