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[GynormousFish]

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What moves seem to be giving you trouble? If you don't know what the notations for them are, then you should go through Cervy's moveset in training mode, and check also check his frame data.

He stuns me with A+B, then 8A+B followed by 8A+K, then either B2 or a random B move while I'm coming down in the air. He also seems to hit me in the legs catching me off guard constantly with 3AB and other moves that hit me in the legs (I understand to just block, but it's pretty unpredictable because Cervy is fast with those moves). He basically just tries to catch me in stun combos and such. I try to Aga him from a distance, followed by 4KK which seems to be the only thing that will work on him for now, but he is constantly ducking as well so I barely ever get a horizontal attack in. What should I do?

 

[Dullyanna]

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If he twitch ducks, you should whack him with a mid (Not 4KK, since the second hit is high, and it only combos on counter hit). Also, A+B is -17 on block, so you can punish him with something like 3K. If you expect him to charge you, try bA or 7B. If you have difficulty blocking stuff like 3AB, try backing off (That move has fairly weak range, if I remember correctly).

 

[GynormousFish]

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If he twitch ducks, you should whack him with a mid (Not 4KK, since the second hit is high, and it only combos on counter hit). Also, A+B is -17 on block, so you can punish him with something like 3K. If you expect him to charge you, try bA or 7B. If you have difficulty blocking stuff like 3AB, try backing off (That move has fairly weak range, if I remember correctly).

Yeah his 3AB has bad range, but he's constantly pressuring me and it's hard to space myself from him without him chasing me down and constantly attacking. If I punish him with 3K after he uses A+B what would be a good follow up move that would connect?

 

[Tiamat]

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A+B stun from cervantes is breakable, so practice breaking it...let me copy and past something from my guide

 

[Dullyanna]

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3K gives no advantage on hit. It's just free damage. I don't remember if Cervy's A+B leaves him in crouch, or if I'm thinking of another move. If not, than there are better options for punishment. Check Nighty's frame data to see what you have.

 

[Tiamat]

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Cervantes
good for nightmare is that SC3 A+B is gone so you dont' have to worry about that. now for SC4

After his 1K hits you will be forced into crouch and he will have frame advantage. However, B+K will evade his 6K, WS K, and FC K in this situation and you can whiff punish.
His WS A will hit you out of B+K, however, that move is punishable on guard with A+K.

his 2A+B is a new move that forces a crouch on block, tracks, and gives a combo on CH. you cannot punish this on guard. his A+B TCs and tracks as well but is not safe on guard. be sure to break the stun A+B causes. his A+B is a free hit vs NSS transitions till i figure something out -_- also punishes NM 33B lawl

main block punishes
1A=WS B
1K=WS B
aB=A+K
WS A=A+K
iGDR=33B
normal GDR=agA or a[B| NSS K combo (preferable)
A+B=a:G+A (difficult)

otherwise, if he did iGDR you can back grab, for normal GDR you get a throw mixup he can't duck if you are quick

 

[GynormousFish]

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Thanks for the help, I'll just have to practice. The thing is, I don't even own a console to play SC4 on, (I will be getting a 360 next week) so I can only play at my friends house. I have no real time to practice or anything and we've grown accustomed to each others playing styles. I've also developed some horrible habits where I will only try to attack using the same few combos or attacks. I really just need to learn to mix up my game. Whenever I get my 360 would any of you mind playing with me some and showing me some good techniques on how to switch up my game?

 

[Promiethius]

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What to do vs Voldo... guys

As a decent NM player, I can say this matchup is by far nightmares worst. He atleast has SOME options vs Cass and Soph, even amy. Voldo though...its like, wtf?

 

[LAU]

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It's kinda hard for you to say he can't do crap against voldo when you don't give any information.

at the very least let us know what he's hitting you with....

if you're getting hit by everything that simply means it's not NM it's just you don't know voldo...

-LAU

 

[eltoshan]

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Make sure you duck the K in 66A+BK, and GI 3BB so your gauge doesn't get raped. That's all I got, I get my ass handed to me by his mixup when he's in BS, and the 1B AT on grounded leaves you standing at disadvantage (I think).

 

[Promiethius]

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Thanks for the help in Flashchat Lau.

 

[eltoshan]

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share the wealth Promiethius

 

[LAU]

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Thanks for the help in Flashchat Lau.

sorry wasn't much of a help but once you see what's getting to you get back to me...

his auto gi doesn't work against body attacks .. and good voldo players kinda relies on that a bit

-LAU

 

[KingAce]

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http://www.8wayrun.com/wiki/Match-Up_Review:_Nightmare

I added this page to the wiki..for us to organize all the character match-ups.

 

[PANDA]

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what to do against Tira? i hate that bitch so much...

 

[GynormousFish]

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Just like what needs to be said, what moves are giving you hell?

 

[Dullyanna]

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what to do against Tira? i hate that bitch so much...

You'll need to give us some specifics. As far as I can tell, Tira doesn't have any significant advantage over Nightmare in this game. She doesn't have a real speed advantage, and Nighty has better range. Just make sure you know her moveset, and be a bit careful not to let her get CHs or ROs, and you should be fine.

 

[Tiamat]

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if you check my guide i make a lot of unnannounced random matchup notes there. there's a blurb on tira if you look for it

 

[eltoshan]

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I really need some help against Liz. Oof ripped me apart at NEC9. http://www.8wayrun.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=403

I know I gotta block LC A+K B better, but are there any braindead ways around LC?

 

[Tiamat]

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if you block any lizardman move from crawl, 1K is guaranteed, so that's braindead but weak. except A+KB. that is a cheap move. lol can also panic and do 8B and hope you hit him


I don't have much exp in this matchup but IMO this is one of nightmare's hardest matches. It COULD just be my inexperience but, I see some rather large problems here. First off, not having any guaranteed punish that works on both 1K and 1[K] after blocking is really irritating. IMO the main problem though is, nightmare is a character who benefits more from sidestep than others, and is more reliant on it. Lizardman anti step is totally braindead and stupid good.