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Tiamat said:
BEHOLD:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B0E8E17AA63D0D83

summary: 33B trade with bubbles gives you better combo. A+B/GS A+B can be activated by bubbles. 11B and agA are decent. GS A can sometimes auto GI bubbles as well

I didn't know at the time, but 8(delay)8B is super good vs Algol as well because it goes around all his bubbles and he can't punish it well on block
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wtflol I was looking for those same videos yesterday, but I couldn't find them among your 6,984,261 other vids.

Some interesting shit, I'll try some of it out tomorrow. I only got through the first five vids, but I noticed that Whodat didn't really abuse bubbleshield. The Algol I've been practicing with learned his bubble style from Ayanami (a local Hilde and Algol player who abuses 4[A+B] and 2A+K) and OOFMATIC, so our matches look something like . I'm not sure if it's because you just got through the bubbleshield before it got to be a pain in the ass or what, but your matches didn't seem to get bogged down by the bubbles much. I might get some vids up tomorrow or something showing how bad I am at fighting Algol with Nightmare.
 
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Tiamat said:
step G loses to SEA which does strong CF damage and is + on block into prep pressure again. WS A is good anti step cause of range/safety/block pushback
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I can't say I agree with WS A is good part. Too damn slow. SEA of course covers up that hole Raph has in his prep game, but if Raph insists on doing SEA loops we can 33B, the reward is in our favor. At the tip range of NM's B, Raph has no reliable anti step options, dance around and poke him to death with 11B if you need to.
 
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MAILBOX: I try to put in tags so that you can find the videos. your best bet for finding tiamat (nm) vs whodat (algol) is to put in something like "tiamat algol whodat nightmare"

I've seen Jeff (x) vs Oofmatic (algol) before and the stuff oofmatic is doing is not hard to get around at all, at least in those matches. You just need a high damage move with good range/speed. In X's case iFC 3B is your ticket. In NM's case it's 33B, but he also has that 8(delay)8B i mentioned, which honestly rapes bubble spam. Algol will have to use bubbles sparingly against NM player who knows the matchup.

Eltoshan:
The problem with 11B against raph is that he's probably gonna hit you out of it a lot of times unless you pick your spots really well. The safety problem with 11B has nothing to do with getting blocked, the problem is getting hit out of it. Doesn't help that it moves nm forward as he does it. NM can still use with good prediction but in general raph is faster at range. He has good low pokes himself with 33B and 1A. To deal with step he's 66A from far, or delay his attacks some so that he re-aligns.

WS A is good because it tracks both sides and block pushback, slow yes, but viable I think. I like Algol 88A and Maxi 88A and those are really slow too, but as long as it's a mid that tracks both sides with decent range/safety, it's automatically good. Maybe in a month I'll be able to get some more NM vs Raph matches up.
 
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if you manage to land FC 3B on algol

all bubbles disappear.

-LAU
 
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I need help fighting AMY what distance do i have to keep to have a chance because close up i get destroyed.
 
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walk around and block alot, then apply mid/throw mixups.


when she hits you with her 1A you can do WR B to beat out anything except 6BB, B+K auto GI, and step
GS A beats 6BB and auto GI, may or may not hit her step (if she step G you certainly won't hit her)

edit: lol what I posted is wrong. 2A beats both I knew that but somehow forgot. GI after being hit then is basically your only option -_-
 
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Any anti-takI? Its hard 2 interrupt the high pressure players A+B at the wrong time=super long combo of death...
 
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well her long range punishment is pretty much non-existent, so you could try to keep her at bay.

step right.

66K her AB, PO A, PO K; and even her PO B if you block her startup string.
 
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vs Asta.

Far range baiting for 33B seems to be a pretty valid strategy against asta.... even if he blocks 33B it doesn't really guarantee him anything sure it'll give him TREMENDOUS advantage with Bullrush and other options but the fact that you should be using 33B as a long range whiff punisher or as a long range interupter..... you should only get blocked half the time and hit the other half the time.... but you need to be extremely patent.

-LAU
 
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man this is pretty noob, but is it possible to jump asta's 1[A] before B smash down on you? or is the second hit gi-able?
 
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yeah but make sure you test what mvoe to use when you jump the 1[a]. if you block 1[A] you must block the followup low but you can GI the B followup. look for the pretty sparkles then GI
 
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K/6K will punish it on block. otherwise go for a throw mixup. dpeending on the distance you can step it to either side. in general though, it's easier to step both 66K and 6K if you step right
 
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Thermidor, just opinions. That doesn't mean I'm better than you.
In my experience, the first goal is to train myself to have a anti-Amy reaction.

3BA and 3B->3B_3A_BB_2B+K_1A
- To see her 3B's recovery to differentiate 3BA or 3B->mix-ups, I have enough time to select to do FC->WS's interupt or FC->guard in a 100% successful rate by reaction.
3BA and 3B->6B_auto-GI
- Since 6B will beat my WS, so sometimes FC-> "keeping guarding" need to do more. If I guess, I will do, 9K, 66K, iWS, iFC3B, iFCThrow, iWSK and iFC->step that will give me a high successful rate.

1A->mix-ups
- Since 1A hit gives Amy no advantage, so actually, it is Nighmare's turn after hit. The easiest options Nightmare can do are to use WS to do an interrupt and to throw against step. However, Amy's 6B and 2A will beat my options. My ideal options are to combine step, WS and Throw. Unfortunately, I haven't trainned well on the step yet. lol....

6BB->mix-ups - same things. To see it by reaction. To guess with a high successful rate.

To learn to differentiate her A+B->K_B. Unfortunately, I can guard it in practice mode in 100% successful rate, but not in tourney yet. =(.... lol.... Also I think I can step all A+B->options. To train FC->step that is pretty hard to do. Besides, I think 8B probably is good to be used here.

To learn how to step and space her 33B. To learn how to step her 66A+B. Which side? I forgot. I haven't played SC4 after last tourney. =(... lol...

To learn anti-Amy's Wake up. Too complicated. I can't show it here.

To go to trainning mode and set the Amy Dummy with those mix-ups randomly. To train myself to play defensively and do counter set by set for 3 hours repeatly before tourney. (Chang's Friend's method)

In my experience, if I don't do well on those basic, I'm difficult to win a Amy player.
 
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hmm how do you step after Amy 1A hits, i thought you'd be in crouch position/WS position
 
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Good timing, but it is hard. In the end of time, to beat a Amy, I need to do this.
 
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why step after 1A?

i love it when amy hits my NM 1A...

because next comes WS for me!

and if they beat that... then GI.

if they aGI... FC Throws

-LAU
 
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Because (side hit) bA6->GSA->4KK do extreme good against Amy.
Because "step->do somethings by reaction" and WS are already good enough. They can work alone without Throw. Throw is a complement here.
It is good if I can get the step. if.... =(....

WS, Throw, GI and FC_Throw need to work together.

Just opinion in theory. haha.... I know "step->do everthing" is a cheating in discussion. =D
 
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Hey guys. Been playing against a decent mitsurugi and some of his stances are giving me problems. Is there anything in particular i should watch out for? Any areas which i should watch out for? like moves which are easily punished etc etc. Cheers.
 
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