Nationals: What Went Right/Wrong

[ShardZ]

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wow, DFG is double trash. I didn't have high expectations for nats but I didn't expect him to fuck up nearly THAT hard.

 

[KowtowRobinson]

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And for this part alone:

Please also remember we truly are by the players for the players. If you don’t like something about the NVGA process then get involved on a local level. As our chapter leaders on the local level have a strong voice to help mold the NVGA. Think you can do it better? Know you can do it better? Then join up and grab your hammer and help mold a better organization, help mold the NVGA with your own local community.

into this:

When I set up 8WR, it was for the effort of having FULL TRANSPARENCY from the leaders of the community. I have even commented many months ago about the way Nationals was getting run, in that if you weren't a member of this "elite" nationals commitee, you had no say in the way Nationals was getting handled. Unfortunately, it was even worse than that; even if you were a member of the nationals commitee, unless you were a member of NVGA, you didn't matter. Even in the post you just made, it pretty much says, "If you want a say in the matter, create a local NVGA chapter, and then and ONLY THEN will we listen to you".

I take back everything I said about "let's keep this constructive and help make a better Nats, guys!" Right now I just hope he tries to respond to this so I can watch Jaxel shit all over his chest again.

 

[Chickenwing]

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Phil:

yes sir.....that made my day @ work....now i can go home a happy man. Thanks!

 

[Chickenwing]

MJ: anyday now...pm me your number so i can send you the pic of my demon-child once she's here!

Jesus: yea...but at least it's a structured idea. i'm pretty sure the appropriate mods to the rules would apply if we REALLY put our heads together (and yes, i'm bitter about the NC regional...had i known it'd be that easy...i would've flown there to get my free ticket to CO....lol....jk)

 

[Tiamat]

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I'm honestly amazed anyone had the patience and attention span to read DFG's post in enough detail to notice all those grammatical errors. It's such a boring load of crap to read.

 

[IgnisPhaseOne]

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Is there just some lingering curse over SC4 players that we can't get our shit together and can't keep a community together? Honestly, I was hoping 8WR WOULD have transparency about all these tournament things, that only the most private and complex of matters would be discussed via email/PM and that everyone would get to see actual discussions here...but I guess we'll try again next year.

Hopefully EVO sparked enough interest to keep SC4 going. I know I got some new players from it, so...yeah!

 

[Crazy-J]

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This isn't 8WR's fault at all. Don't blame yourself. The blame needs to be on the people who ran nationals(NVGA).

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Defending the $20 entry is stupid because you're still ignoring the people that did care to qualify.

Even if only 7 people showed up for Nats, let them fight. Don't throw in last-minute variables. Let the truth be what it is. Faking reality does NOT help in the long-term. It's like hiring an unqualified person for a job... you'll eventually realize he can't do what he claims. In this case, making the SC community look bigger than it is will come CRASHING down on you dumbasses!!

 

[Egg]

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Im lucky to have to share no blame for the event itself. I was just the Taxi...... Btw Im never helping anyone ever again in this community. Sad but true.

 

[Fuzion]

I'm not sure why you think Cedric is wrong here, Jaxel. Here's a few quotes DFG had posted before Nats in this forum:

[*]Qualifer will run on Friday July 24, 2009 if there are more people then positions in the bracket

[*]If there are less people then spots then participates can signup for the national tournament and be randomly seeded.

[*]Also remember unlike the other qualifiers this qualifier is made to fill remaining spots so there could be more than 4 qualifiers coming out of the bracket to compete!!

[*]Lastly, we will be taking entries for remaining spots up to 9:00am Saturday morning if and only if there are spots remaining.

There's more quotes confirming it, but I think most everyone understood DFGs intent to fill as many spots in the bracket as possible (whether or not everyone agreed with it is another story).

Anyways, I see a lot of posts in here unhappy about DFG allowing so many extras to nats, and not cutting it off with one final qualifier where only the top 4 advance to the nats bracket. I have to point out, though, that the final vote for allowing the french to compete in nats was 42-4 in favor. I believe there were 8 french that attended. So, obviously it would've been impossible for any more than 4 of them to compete in nats if the community really insisted that only a final top 4 are allowed in. So what is the official position some of you are arguing for? Did you want to allow all 8 french into nats, or force them to fight through a qualifier making it impossible for all of them to be in nats. Now if you want all 8 to be allowed in, then you should be ready to allow both 2 koreans and 1 russian (belial, if he had been well enough to make the trip) in as well on the same principle. And if you're just letting in 8 to 11 people, then how are you going to tell americans who showed up that they won't get the same treatment and only 4 of them can qualify...

These are muddy waters and you can't put all the blame on DFG to be honest, not when the community made it clear that they wanted the french to be allowed to play in nats. In the end, I actually think it was right to let all the international players play since I was there and everyone was at their best on Saturday (except for Seung Cheul, he was really the most unfortunate and we all hope he gets better soon). Time was of the essence since people were getting sicker and more tired as the weekend went on. Only letting the french & koreans play on sunday wouldve been a mistake imo, half the tournament was yawning and asleep by then lol. I know OOF had to just drop out because he was worn out and tired. Not to take anything away from the top 4 though, RTD/Saitoh/Thugish/SU all fought hard once again.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

I think people were agreeing to the fact that the French, Singapore, Russia...etc...should be allowed to enter nats, via the qualifier. Once they realized that DFG kind of meant they could just pay their way in, that's when people began to speak up. Or at least that is the impression they got.

 

[Jaxel]

There's more quotes confirming it, but I think most everyone understood DFGs intent to fill as many spots in the bracket as possible (whether or not everyone agreed with it is another story).

Pretty much EVERYONE disagreed in ADVANCE to DFG allowing more than 4 people out of this "last chance qualifier". NO ONE wanted to let all 8 french into nationals automatically; we wanted to let them compete in the QUALIFIER for those four seats, with the koreans, the russians and remaining Americans. NO ONE said the french should be permitted DIRECTLY into nats without having to qualify. The vote was strictly to allow them into the QUALIFIER. Once people understood what DFG was saying about filling out an empty bracket, EVERYONE disagreed. BUT DFG IGNORED THEM. That is my issue. Besides, there shouldn't be 40 open qualifier seats; worse case, he should have cut it off at 32, not 64! The community made it VERY CLEAR that they didn't like what DFG was doing, and he ignored them.

 

[Jaxel]

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Im lucky to have to share no blame for the event itself. I was just the Taxi...... Btw Im never helping anyone ever again in this community. Sad but true.

Thank you Egg for being a great member of the community. No one blames you, or anyone else specifically in the Colorado community for what happened here. Thank you for taxi'ing people to and from the airport; even though many of them weren't grateful. You should have been charging $5 a seat, and told anyone who objected to walk.

 

[Fuzion]

NO ONE wanted to let all 8 french into nationals automatically; we wanted to let them compete in the QUALIFIER for those four seats, with the koreans, the russians and remaining Americans.

"NO ONE" is a strong word here. Your post has a lot of extremes. Are you sure that in a pool of Belial, Kura, SeungCheul, Kayane, Saitoh, Malek, Kira, Kero and more, that NO ONE wanted any more than 4 of these names to appear in the nats bracket? "NO ONE" wanted anything other than 4 of these people to eliminate the other 4 and not even get to play against the americans in the bracket? Actually I think the community sentiment was the opposite, most everyone who wanted to let international players compete in nats wanted them to compete in the bracket against americans and not have to eliminate each other before the tournament even began.

I'm sorry but I still think some people had conflicting opinions without really realizing it. They wished all of the international players could get their shot to play with us in nats, but still supported the argument of only taking the top 4 players from a last chance qualifier. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's all I'm pointing out. And I promise you if you only took 4 of those names I posted above, you would definitely be losing some serious comp in the nats bracket and at least some people would've complained about why they didnt let so-and-so in the bracket instead of letting him/her be eliminated by their own countrymen after traveling all the way to the US to compete with us.

 

[Jaxel]

So we're supposed to THROW OUT 6 months of hard work and money simply because some foreigners show up? No one said that. They were given the option to play in a qualifier and qualify JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. If you read towards the end of the thread, where people finally understood what DFG was talking about, you can see that no one wanted to give the french a free pass to nationals.

 

[Drave2117]

Fuzion,

I think what Jaxel is trying to make out is that everyone who was to be in this event where supposed to be let in the same way. Think about it, there were many people who went to many different qualifiers to be able to be in nats. All those people, paid there way to get where they were. Now The problem I see here is that to fill in the bracket, that all the others worked hard to be in, to be filled in by whatever means is a little hurtful to those that went ahead and traveled from place to place just to be qualified.
For the french players, yes they came out for Evo and then played at Nats. The problem that i see is that even if some of the people wanted them to be in, they still should have been in that last qualifier. After that was done, if they wanted to fill in the bracket with some extras sure, but it should not be equal to the number of the people who went ahead and worked hard to be in the tournament. Like Jaxel said, he should have cut off the nats tourney at 32.

 

[KowtowRobinson]

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I think that's another good point, too many people in this community (and other FGs to be fair) EXPECT people to do shit for them. It's not a requirement that someone like Egg carts you back and forth to where you gotta be, he's doing you a favor because he wants to see the community succeed. Show some fucking respect, please.

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Also, allowing others is unnecessary confusion to the system. One solution is to not let anyone but USA play in Nats. That means no Canada or Dominican Republic. The point of this is to determine the overall best USA player anyway. Cut out the guest players, eh?

 

[DrakeAldan]

Are you suggesting people just hold an international event after Nats?

I mean, that's cool, it would just require... more management, I dunno.

(Maybe countries could pass around the international event hosting duties like the Olympics, or something.)

But, I suppose intent could be argued. Some people do not want to necessarily find the best overall American player- some people just want a place to find extremely hard competition.

(Perhaps that is best relegated to Evo?)

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Drake: If you're talking to me, then I mean only what I said. USA Nationals should mean just that, USA. Or if not, change the goddamn title of it.