Nationals: What Went Right/Wrong

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Thank you from the NVGA

Yo, this is DancingFighterG. Check out the vids from Rock Band and post Soul Calibur 4 Nationals vids:

http://www.nvgaonline.com/SuperCon/LiveFromSuperCon.php

Nori, before you past judgment there is a lot you don't know as I have explained a lot of this players like I.C.E, Something-Unique, out of country players, Eddypistons, etc, etc. They are much more educated on how the NVGA and all circumstances surrounding the event then you so that's why a lof of them can make comments on the event with full knowledge.
 
Thank you from the NVGA

Nori, before you past judgment there is a lot you don't know as I have explained a lot of this players like I.C.E, Something-Unique, out of country players, Eddypistons, etc, etc. They are much more educated on how the NVGA and all circumstances surrounding the event then you so that's why a lof of them can make comments on the event with full knowledge.
Well, I wouldn't blame Nori for not knowing more about things, since the NVGA's stance is mostly "let's take this offline" (behind closed doors). So much for transparency and "by the community for the community".
 
Was it even worse than Clash 2007, where we had to wait like 3 hours between each match damn near? That's pretty freakin horrible then.

Krayzie, you have been down to my events and know the quality. If my event is an 8 then this nationals at WORST was a 7.
Clash would have been a 1.0!!!! :)

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NOW MY REPLY TO JAXEL.

Jaxel,

Here is some rope…


My number one rule when arguing with someone in a forum discussion is if they are hanging themselves to get out of the way and let them do it. Take as much rope as you need Jaxel. I invite you Jaxel to look over some of the things you said and evaluate them. As I know I will and everyone else reading it are evaluating the weight of each of our positions.

Here some rope:

Why does no one call him? Because he has lost credibility with us.[ I would have called him out on this stuff BEFORE Nationals went down, but I didn't want to undermine his efforts. (Javachat is the only place where I've been open about my complaints) 2 months ago we KNEW that Nationals had become a joke, and that is largely due to DFG's actions.

So you did not complain before nationals in the forum, just in Java Chat...? 2 months before nationals you were complaining that Nationals had become a Joke? Why do you think that would be ok? (Also you were complaining and undermining efforts on the internal e-mail distribution list for nationals that as I was on.) Why would you undermine a persons effort only on “Java Chat” or internal e-mails and be ok with that? Why Jaxel? I was not even a member of your board yet an I heard you complain and say how nationals was already a joke. I talk to allot of people Jaxel and I heard this not even being a member of your board! With friends like you, people don’t need enemies. I’m sure your really not ok with your statement right? Then revise it and tell us why it was ok to undermine it in Java Chat or else where.
Jaxel why is it ok to undermine a person work?

Also clarify to all of us this why nationals are a joke as you stateted in the quote? If Nationals are a joke then what do you think of the winners? Or the validity to their placing? If the regional’s and everything was screwed up we cannot get the true results for the intent of the event right? Hence the nationals becoming a joke! Since nationals was a joke then I’ll laugh at the players who placed! Hey Thuggish Pond! Just so you know you’re placing was a joke! HAHAHA IN YOUR FACE THUGGISH POND! Thuggish your placing could have been different if we would have organized NATS differently.
I am sorry to inform you that Nationals are a joke and your overall placing… Well it just doesn’t stand as well as it could have… I’ll still consider you the best that day since you did win. But lets be real Thuggish the tournament was a joke and it’s like Jaxel said in his quote below:

Opening Nationals up to ANYBODY. So only 20 people showed up for Nats... GOOD FOR THEM! They qualified! Opening Nats up to anybody turned this supposed HUGE event into just another average monthly.

Thuggish since it’s only a monthly could we as a community get the $1000 back that the NVGA helped pitch in on? I mean what weight does a monthly really carry? JAXEL thanks your soooo right again nationals turned into just another “Average” monthly! What do you seriously think about the “Joke” Jaxel? Oh please go tell the French players that was our joke tournament - hell that’s just our monthly! Wait for them to see our real national event!
Jaxel why is national a joke?

Is that enough rope yet? if not here some more you admitted to.

So you admit you have not tried to call Greg. Ok…. Your supposed to be a leader so lead, no excuses are allowed for us leaders. JUST RESULTS. So get some results and be a leader. I get excuses from my children all day long. Please don’t make me parent here also. As the NVGA we have already admitted there are issues and we will fix them next event. But you in the quote above admit not calling Greg, you just offer excuses. You have not taken the offer to get the answers…. Hmmmm that’s like complaining your thirsty and someone says, well Jaxel go around the corner and ask for a drink. Oh no I don’t chat with that guy… It’s his fault I’m thirsty… It’s his fault your thirsty? Its his fault you don’t have answers and you have not called him? Can you see the way that sounds ridiculous to reasonable people?
Jaxel are your excuses a good enough reason not to call?

Heres some rope:

From the actions and decisions I have seen over the course of the past year... he doesn't care about the community at all.

Ok heres more rope for you Jaxel. Any person reading this can you seriously think Greg doesn’t care about the community?! He has grown Colorado Cutthroat to the largest tournament provider in Colorado. Why would a person want to alienate their own clientele? And remember SC is Gregs favorite fighter. That’s why he wanted to do this for the community. Why would you say this Jaxel? Why are you just typing outrageous statements? If’s hard to communicate with you when you post such ridiculous comments! Please stop.
Jaxel do you really beleave Greg does not care about the comminity?

And I'm STILL waiting on the brackets from SuperCon. So why do I bring my complaints out into the open? Because behind close doors, NOTHING GOT FIXED. When ChaCha and I complained directly, we were ignored.

Wow an actual real question and not an excuse. Boy it sure would be good for you to call him and find out don’t you think Jaxel?

Oh but lets keep going, As I think you want some more rope:

Now that we bring it to the public eye, NVGA suddenly hear's our complaints? Now for an anecdote... My father was a customer of Pitney Bowes for 20 years; and over 20 years, they treated him like garbage and wouldn't answer any of his questions. Then he dropped them and moved over to Stamps.Com; the moment he did that, Pitney Bowes started calling him and trying to service his complaints non-stop in efforts to get him back as a client. He told them to go fuck themselves. You can't treat your customers like garbage and then try to pretend that your poor quality of service didn't happen.

Your Anecdote is Null and void. Did your father have direct input as a leader in Pitney Bowes. (As you are a leader in the National SC community your input was their and acted upon in many ways. Remember no one got everything they wanted in Nationals Jaxel we all made compromises) But Lets continue with the Father Anechote… Did your father have a chance to chat with people directly responsible to Pitney Bowes? Did your Father get a chance to call one of the founding members and get answers? Did your father have a chance to lead Pitney Bowes NATIONALLY and it got to hard to lead he copped out of it? (Oh no that would be you who had a chance to lead nationally and copped out because it was too difficult. What the excuse? Oh I know I know I almost forgot what you said, ‘They were not listening to you.’ All the e-mails I read people were listening to you.
Why would you not lead? If your such a great leader of this community and you felt so strongly that it was going SOOOOO badly you quit? Why? Because people were not listening to you? Give me a break. Another excuse. Or if I have the wrong excuse please (Inset excuse here) just so we all know what excuse your using today Jaxel.
Notice a difference between you and I Jaxel. You give excuses. I own up and say, ‘yea nationals could be organized better and we will do something about it’
Do you see the difference? Jaxel do you see the difference in excuses and ownership? Do you have an excuse why a leader should quit?

As for what you want to know...

Money made off premium memberships: $1087
Money made off AdBrite (started ironically, 36 days ago): $36
Money made off PlayAsia (why we moved to AdBrite): $3

Cost of keeping this website up: $540 a year
Cost of the vbulleting License: $180 + $40 a year (they will be tripling? their prices next year)
Cost of the AddonChat Hosting: $140 a year

Ok so you have just over a thousand dollars and you mange to have it all eaten up in expenses… Wow… We have a national web site and our cost for the past 2 years has been the cost of our forum license… $80 bucks a year. Our player-ownership has allowed us such a great offer on our server it’s free space. But nope not Jaxel he spends almost a $1000 dollars in expenses a year… Sounds like great business choices their Jaxel…
I wish you did not make it soooo difficult to be reasonable with you. As I could get you the same deal, your community could use that $1,000 dollars and put it in their pockets. What am I saying?!?! I am part of this community! Your ripping players off! Probably paying for an online dedicated server when you could work deals to just be on one! Do you not know how to work a deal to get some server space?! I could help.
As that is money that could be used towards nationals, tournaments, sponsoring players. I know you have the right intentions, but I am surprised at the bad choices you have made. Jaxel why are you spending all this player money?! Why why why?

Too bad too you are obviously a talented administrator. Perhaps just not as good as a negotiating business person. You have high administrative value! Why do you act in such a way that brings it down? It brings me down too as now look what I’m doing! It BRINGS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY DOWN!

I think that is what frustrates me the most. You being so talented but demeaning your talents by acting in such a way! And now I am a part of it! FRSUTRATING!

IF you can stop posting such ridiculous statements perhaps we can have a real conversation.
IF you can stop looking for someone to blame and say ‘We as a community can do better the NVGA included’ perhaps we can CREATE a better future.

These are powerful questions and one any leader should answer to a community. People have not only put their faith in you but their dollars.
 
Chinga I've never had any problems at any of your tourneys, they were all awesome. Then again, you never had a DJ and constant announcements over a PA system during ANY of your tournaments so yeah. I miss those NM tourneys, I'd look forward to seeing great players. You, Seneca, Garrett, and Lobo would always take care of out of state guests, and hanging out afterwards was always fun.
 
Chingachgook
You're obviously not mature enough to be having this conversation.
Listening to you talk is like watching a fat kid go "My dad makes more money than your dad!!1one!"

Chingachgook
You insulted Clash as if you've been there.
If the normal level of Clash was a 495956, then Clash 2007 was a 495855.
Nationals was barely over 9000.

Chingachgook
Jaxel has one of the best gaming community websites ever made. Ever. How can you even insult him for it?
"Your Porsche costs too much, what a waste of money. If you got a Honda (insert NVGA) you could have spent that money ricing up your Civic!"

Chingachgook.
Chingachgook.
Chingachgook.

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Chingachgook.
 
@Chingachgook, your post makes no sense, and all I see is more deflecting. I'm not the one making up excuses... For what reason do I even need to make excuses? I have done nothing wrong and I having nothing to apoligize for. All I see is excuses from YOU, and more deflecting as you continue to fail to answer any questions.

1. I wasn't PUBLICLY undermining the efforts for nationals... however, I never said that privately, I was keeping my mouth shut. I'm not the one starting the "nationals is a joke" conversations in javachat; other people felt that way I simply put forth my views on the matter. I never posted this on the forums. And as you said, I put forth my views on the private nationals commitee mailing list as well... were any of my opinions and advice taken seriously? No, of course not, because I'm not part of NVGA, nothing of what I said matters to you. Now that nationals is over, I feel no qualms in making my views on the matter public. I want people to know that nationals will not be handled the same way next year; we will have transparency.

2. These "nationals is a joke" paragraphs your wrote... Completely meaningless; you're deflecting, skipping it...

3. NVGA has admitted to its problems? Obviously you aren't too good at reading. I have already accused the NVGA of making excluses and deflecting their answers in previous posts. Yes, NVGA has "acknowledged" the MINOR complaints: music too loud, lights were epileptic, venue was too far, food was hard to find, gas was expensive, etc... But when you do answer, you tell the people who were complaining that they were WRONG. This is not acknowledging their complaints, because you don't think their complaints are valid!

4. Why am I not calling NVGA/DFG for answers? As I've already said before... TRANSPARENCY. There are PUBLIC questions I am asking that pertain to a PUBLIC matter and people in the PUBLIC care about. Shouldn't they be answered in PUBLIC? What happened to the preaching of transparency you were going on about in your last post? Practice what you preach, and stop trying to turn this into a PRIVATE matter; because its not!

5. Wait, what? Are you seriously trying to break down my ANECDOTE? Its a fucking anecdote; its not supposed to be taken literaly! STOP DEFLECTING AND ANSWER OUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!

6. Yes... very easy to get free hosting when your website only averages 5 unique visitors on at a time. We average 150+ here at 8WR. The old SC.com was free because they were STEALING their bandwidth/hosting from Namco. This is a community run for the community, directly from the donations/subscriptions from the community. ChaCha mentioned our website at EVO, we got hit by 374 users at the same time, and this website stayed up, after a short 30 second lockdown prevention for a Distributed Denial of Service Attack.

BTW... your website was down earlier today.
 
I'm merging this thread with the "Thank you from the NVGA"... no reason for them to be seperate anymore.
 
This is just getting retarded and very childish. Hope everyone has fun figuring this shit out, because Im done putting time into this topic. Peace out mofo's.
 
Again, there were GOOD things that happened at Nats, but some of the bad things just completely overwhelmed everybody. These are 3 BASIC points that should be looked at not by NVGA, cause I think they already have this common sense, but NVGA Colorado.

Right. The criticisizm is fine and as we stated, it will NOT be ignored. We have already started addressing the issues in our meetings and will continue till we have settled on resolutions.

I appreciate your sentiment but at the same time we don't separate ourselves from NVGA Colorado because it's our goal to help each other as chapters. So we all share in the credit or blame. As DFG, Ice and Chingachgook stated, we know some things didn't run as expected and we'll be using these publicly raised issues to improve our performance across the board for all chapters in the future.

Somethings can be productively addressed in public, thanks for giving us feedback. I strongly suggest however that some of the personal comments are not productively handled in a public forum.

Jaxel, if you have some suggestions that we can act on as organization and that can help mend any problems caused for you by the Nationals, please PM me. I will bring it up and respond to you directly. I'm not asking for complaints because we have those read and noted from this thread. I'm looking for constructive suggestions if you have any. I don't personally know you so there is nothing personal here.

I hate to see all the work by both 8wayrun and NVGA which was put toward the SC Nats tarnished. The event had some good points and had some bad points. As Ice said, let's keep it in perspective. We will be addressing the issues you raised as well about our lack in responding to your concerns as one of the event organizers/sponsors. It's very possible to use the experience as a stepping stone rather than stones to throw.
 
Jaxel has one of the best gaming community websites ever made. Ever. How can you even insult him for it?

Haha yea this thread shows this is one of the "Best gaming community websites ever made. EVER!” See all the community? KD that was a Zdasters statement. Fits your handle well. BTW did you ever hear of MySpace? YouTube? All community sites in the beginning... yea this one competes as its one of the best EVER!


@Chingachgook, I wasn't PUBLICLY undermining the efforts for nationals... however, I never said that privately, I was keeping my mouth shut.

Jaxel their are numerous people that know you were bad mouthing nationals. As a leader what you say gets out. Just keep telling yourself it was ok to Bad mouth nationals in private.

@Chingachgook, And as you said, I put forth my views on the private nationals commitee mailing list as well...

Again why is bad mouthing nationals in JAVA CHAT or in private national emails help us as a community?

@Chingachgook, 3. NVGA has admitted to its problems? Obviously you aren't too good at reading. I have already accused the NVGA of making excluses and deflecting their answers in previous posts. Yes, NVGA has "acknowledged" the MINOR complaints: music too loud, lights were epileptic, venue was too far, food was hard to find, gas was expensive, etc... But when you do answer, you tell the people who were complaining that they were WRONG. This is not acknowledging their complaints, because you don't think their complaints are valid!

Pot calling the kettle black on who can't read. As many NVGA'ers have posted we need to work on the process and their is room for improvement. Sad that anyone can go back and read this and know we have already said that.

And don't put "words-in-our-mouth" As we never said the complaints aren’t valid. What organization is ever going to hurt their user base by saying. We don't care what you say users. Do you read what you are writing? Do you not know the history of many of our chapters. We prove we listen to our users as we have healthy communities. Unlike this one... Oh no i'm sorry it's like KDZaster said, one-of-the-best-gamming-community-website-ever-made! (BTW KDZaster he didn’t make it, Vbulliten did)

@Chingachgook, 4. Why am I not calling NVGA/DFG for answers? As I've already said before... TRANSPARENCY. There are PUBLIC questions I am asking that pertain to a PUBLIC matter and people in the PUBLIC care about. Shouldn't they be answered in PUBLIC? What happened to the preaching of transparency you were going on about in your last post? Practice what you preach, and stop trying to turn this into a PRIVATE matter; because its not!

I agee wow... we actually agree. But again look at the environment you have turned this into. Would anyone want to get involved in this? Thats why Greg said to call, because this is ridiculous!

@Chingachgook,
5. Wait, what? Are you seriously trying to break down my ANECDOTE? Its a fucking anecdote; its not supposed to be taken literaly! STOP DEFLECTING AND ANSWER OUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!

If the ANECDOTE doesn’t fit then why did you bring it up in the first place ? It was you who used it dummy.

@Chingachgook, 6. Yes... very easy to get free hosting when your website only averages 5 unique visitors on at a time. We average 150+ here at 8WR. The old SC.com was free because they were STEALING their bandwidth/hosting from Namco. This is a community run for the community, directly from the donations/subscriptions from the community. ChaCha mentioned our website at EVO, we got hit by 374 users at the same time, and this website stayed up, after a short 30 second lockdown prevention for a Distributed Denial of Service Attack.

Duh I know about websites. And obviously you don't know about business as you are spending $1000 dollars of players money you could get for free dedicated server space. (I'm talking dedicated server here for your web site, with bandwidth up to million unique vaster hits a month) Not a shared forum. You just so ignorant that you end up wasting the communities money. So that’s your answer? Your so ignorant you just don't even know about options for you in business.... So you go ahead and spend the player cash... Good work.



@Chingachgook,
BTW... your website was down earlier today.

I just check the logs and site was up all day today. I'll post when i get back home so people can just see you have no credibility.


LOL. This is just sad.

Yup Marginal you summed up Jaxel position... just sad. Jaxel spending players donation money 2 dollars at a time. Good business Jaxel!


Right. The criticisizm is fine and as we stated, it will NOT be ignored. We have already started addressing the issues in our meetings and will continue till we have settled on resolutions.

I appreciate your sentiment but at the same time we don't separate ourselves from NVGA Colorado because it's our goal to help each other as chapters. So we all share in the credit or blame. As DFG, Ice and Chingachgook stated, we know some things didn't run as expected and we'll be using these publicly raised issues to improve our performance across the board for all chapters in the future.

Somethings can be productively addressed in public, thanks for giving us feedback. I strongly suggest however that some of the personal comments are not productively handled in a public forum.

Jaxel, if you have some suggestions that we can act on as organization and that can help mend any problems caused for you by the Nationals, please PM me. I will bring it up and respond to you directly. I'm not asking for complaints because we have those read and noted from this thread. I'm looking for constructive suggestions if you have any. I don't personally know you so there is nothing personal here.

I hate to see all the work by both 8wayrun and NVGA which was put toward the SC Nats tarnished. The event had some good points and had some bad points. As Ice said, let's keep it in perspective. We will be addressing the issues you raised as well about our lack in responding to your concerns as one of the event organizers/sponsors. It's very possible to use the experience as a stepping stone rather than stones to throw.

Dahlsim, I’m glad you’re the professional one in the NVGA. I will do what ever you order Morris, if you work out some-kind-of-relationship with Jaxel that’d be great. Good luck.

Well I have spent allot of my family time just trying to showcase to the community, to myself, to anyone reading how ridiculous Jaxels leadership is... I know I got all dirty like i knew i would. Oh well.
(As Egg says) I will not commit any more time to this post. Their is far too much work to get done for the community then to waste time and effort here going back and forth. Thanks for your time players and if anyone needs me you can find me.

Peace
 
Yup Marginal you summed up Jaxel position... just sad. Jaxel spending players donation money 2 dollars at a time.
You're not coming across well. At best the way you're going, you might eventually prove he's also unprofessional. (Really you can't claim this poo flinging of yours makes you somehow look professional in comparison.) Dedicating several novels to this tangental subject doesn't make you look any better. You look small and petty and like you have no answers, so you're trying to bury what Jaxel said under a cloud of mutual FUD instead of actually dealing with anything.

Really, does calling anyone who donated to this site a sucker accomplish anything? Is it supposed to endear you to the donors? Did Jaxel ever promise a return on investment? A $2000 pot for the best poster? What the hell are you even trying to say anymore?

Seems to be all summed up as, "Yeah? Well, you suck too!" and if THAT is your definition of professionalism...
 
Chingachgook, it amazes me how you can keep spouting so much filth. I can clearly see that you are the type of person who focuses on breaking down the little things in someone's posts (lets say periphrial), because you don't have a valid method to refute the bigger and important things (lets say central). Is this a hateful environment? Of course... months of being mistreated and playing second class citizen to the NVGA has bred it. Once again, this entire post of yours is just a point of deflection. Rather than acknowledging the problems with NVGA, you continue to try to change the subject by creating problems with me running 8WR, even though there really aren't any.

Why do I criticize? Because criticism is complaints. You are saying that you are acknowledging people's complaints, and will take them into account; well as you just admitted I have been complaining for months (not just me actually), and none of those complaints were taken into account. Why should I expect any different this time? The whole point of my anecdote is that when NVGA was in control, they cared little for our complaints and treated us like garbage. Now that we are distancing ourselves from the NVGA, you suddenly want to start acknowledging our complaints? Like I said previously, you spend so much time breaking down the little things in my anecdote, that you completely miss the central point of the conversation; the anecdote fits PERFECTLY.

So... still no answers... still no brackets...
 
I'm pretty sure I said Gaming Community websites.
Apparently your comprehension skills went out the window when you lost your damn mind, thinking these walls of text are doing anything for you.

TZ, SRK, CF, DL, SCU, SB, DOAC, etc etc etc,
It literally one of the very best Gaming Community websites ever made.

But apparently, Myspace and Facebook now count as them.

"This is one of the fastest cars ever."
"NO, A JET GOES FASTER THAN THAT, DUMBASS."

That's guy in all caps is you.
 
Thank you from the NVGA

Nori, before you past judgment there is a lot you don't know as I have explained a lot of this players like I.C.E, Something-Unique, out of country players, Eddypistons, etc, etc. They are much more educated on how the NVGA and all circumstances surrounding the event then you so that's why a lof of them can make comments on the event with full knowledge.
I have been running tournaments longer than those guys, or just as long. You PMed me your number and I'll be calling you later, cause I can't wait. However, talking on the phone is one thing, but you are NOT helping yourself by hiding and saying "these guys know more than you". That's your defense from having the venue 40 minutes away and not planning everything right?

Also, as far as Chingacook goes, everytime I go to NM, this guy helps run very organized good tournaments. I can vouche this guy knows what he's doing and defending nats IMO is a VERY uphill battle.

Jaxel: Take my opinion as you will, but I wouldn't go as far as to "distance ourselves" from the NVGA. I think one "chapter" royally fucked up, doesn't mean these guys are the v-games people. ICE/EP have consistently proved NVGA is pretty good in Dallas.
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I hate to see all the work by both 8wayrun and NVGA which was put toward the SC Nats tarnished. The event had some good points and had some bad points. As Ice said, let's keep it in perspective. We will be addressing the issues you raised as well about our lack in responding to your concerns as one of the event organizers/sponsors. It's very possible to use the experience as a stepping stone rather than stones to throw.
DFG as a person, I like a lot. Know the guys since SC2, so a lot of the decisions that were made again, blew my mind. As I mentioned, I will be calling him later because everybody in TX that has ever attended a tourney I ran have never complained to anything close to this extent. So let me wrap up in a nutshell what should have happened:

Problem: Venue 40 minutes away
Solution: Have it 20 minutes or less away (make it convenient for your local players to pick people up).

Problem: Not having it at a hotel
Solution: If a player who looked like the walking dead the next day (Suirad/Oofmatic) wanted to take a nap (like Cedric also mentioned), they should have been able to simply go upstairs. Or AT LEAST a hotel within walking distance/shuttle distance. I happened to have a massive discount at Residence Inn, and still spent 200$ because I stood until tuesday. The hotels around there were pretty expensive

Problem: Too many regionals
Solution: Less regionals, not so spread out. TX did not need 2 regionals a month and 2 weeks apart. I can't speak for Cali, but there were just too many. From the first regionals to last week was WAY too long of a time

Problem: Calling it "nationals"
Solution: Let's be honest, the minute we let canada/DR enter, it has not been nationals. Yet, people had a problem w/the french entering. Why? Call it internationals. It just sounds better, because what OTHER game has internationals as their main event? Sounds great to me, but I'm only 1 fish in a big pond so take a vote on that.

Problem: Plane tickets and communication
Solution: Buy the plane ticket immediately. Don't wait. People are skeptical to come if their plane ticket comes months and months later.

Problem: Qualifiers and letting anybody in
Solution: Don't. There are many people who just flat out "entered". So since so many people didn't come, you were damned if you do, damned if you don't. You would have had a small tourney w/out letting just anybody enter. However, letting everybody in was disrespectful to the people who traveled all around to qualify

Problem: Starting the tournament at 12:30pm while demanding we all get there at 10am
Solution: Having a major at 10am is just not a good idea if you can avoid it. You had people like Cedric only LANDING (this is not getting your bags, getting picked up, checking in, and THEN crashing out) at 12am the night before. After all this time, you have to realize this is a mental game and everybody needs time to sleep. Also, you told me yourself you had to redo the brackets because your comp froze. Why did you not save as you went? How can you let that happen?

Problem: Transportation
Solution: Before you purchased tickets, you should have got together w/the people who were going to pick them up. You had VERY little amount of people doing the driving, and there was no reason for that. You can't expect people to get a cab when it's 40 minutes away. Again, if the venue was close, cabs wouldn't have been an issue

Problem: DJ/Lights/Distractions
Solution: There was ZERO reason to have to pay for lights/DJ. We didn't need one, the MASSIVE majority did not enjoy the music. Loud shit talk on the mic and the crowd screaming for your blood is one thing, that's to be expected and it's enjoyable. But hearing techno while trying to concentrate makes a hard tournament even harder. I heard a rumor about how much you paid for lights, but I'd rather not post it if it's not true, so I'll call and ask and pray I heard wrong


Nobody likes complaints w/out solutions, so pick any of the above and have at it
 
I dont know about Chingachgook's management skillz, but his conversation skills could have used a huge update.
 
Thank you from the NVGA

I have been running tournaments longer than those guys, or just as long. You PMed me your number and I'll be calling you later, cause I can't wait. However, talking on the phone is one thing, but you are NOT helping yourself by hiding and saying "these guys know more than you". That's your defense from having the venue 40 minutes away and not planning everything right?

Also, as far as Chingacook goes, everytime I go to NM, this guy helps run very organized good tournaments. I can vouche this guy knows what he's doing and defending nats IMO is a VERY uphill battle.

Jaxel: Take my opinion as you will, but I wouldn't go as far as to "distance ourselves" from the NVGA. I think one "chapter" royally fucked up, doesn't mean these guys are the v-games people. ICE/EP have consistently proved NVGA is pretty good in Dallas.
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DFG as a person, I like a lot. Know the guys since SC2, so a lot of the decisions that were made again, blew my mind. As I mentioned, I will be calling him later because everybody in TX that has ever attended a tourney I ran have never complained to anything close to this extent. So let me wrap up in a nutshell what should have happened:

Problem: Venue 40 minutes away
Solution: Have it 20 minutes or less away (make it convenient for your local players to pick people up).

Problem: Not having it at a hotel
Solution: If a player who looked like the walking dead the next day (Suirad/Oofmatic) wanted to take a nap (like Cedric also mentioned), they should have been able to simply go upstairs. Or AT LEAST a hotel within walking distance/shuttle distance. I happened to have a massive discount at Residence Inn, and still spent 200$ because I stood until tuesday. The hotels around there were pretty expensive

Problem: Too many regionals
Solution: Less regionals, not so spread out. TX did not need 2 regionals a month and 2 weeks apart. I can't speak for Cali, but there were just too many. From the first regionals to last week was WAY too long of a time

Problem: Calling it "nationals"
Solution: Let's be honest, the minute we let canada/DR enter, it has not been nationals. Yet, people had a problem w/the french entering. Why? Call it internationals. It just sounds better, because what OTHER game has internationals as their main event? Sounds great to me, but I'm only 1 fish in a big pond so take a vote on that.

Problem: Plane tickets and communication
Solution: Buy the plane ticket immediately. Don't wait. People are skeptical to come if their plane ticket comes months and months later.

Problem: Qualifiers and letting anybody in
Solution: Don't. There are many people who just flat out "entered". So since so many people didn't come, you were damned if you do, damned if you don't. You would have had a small tourney w/out letting just anybody enter. However, letting everybody in was disrespectful to the people who traveled all around to qualify

Problem: Starting the tournament at 12:30pm while demanding we all get there at 10am
Solution: Having a major at 10am is just not a good idea if you can avoid it. You had people like Cedric only LANDING (this is not getting your bags, getting picked up, checking in, and THEN crashing out) at 12am the night before. After all this time, you have to realize this is a mental game and everybody needs time to sleep. Also, you told me yourself you had to redo the brackets because your comp froze. Why did you not save as you went? How can you let that happen?

Problem: Transportation
Solution: Before you purchased tickets, you should have got together w/the people who were going to pick them up. You had VERY little amount of people doing the driving, and there was no reason for that. You can't expect people to get a cab when it's 40 minutes away. Again, if the venue was close, cabs wouldn't have been an issue

Problem: DJ/Lights/Distractions
Solution: There was ZERO reason to have to pay for lights/DJ. We didn't need one, the MASSIVE majority did not enjoy the music. Loud shit talk on the mic and the crowd screaming for your blood is one thing, that's to be expected and it's enjoyable. But hearing techno while trying to concentrate makes a hard tournament even harder. I heard a rumor about how much you paid for lights, but I'd rather not post it if it's not true, so I'll call and ask and pray I heard wrong


Nobody likes complaints w/out solutions, so pick any of the above and have at it

Thanks! These are the kinds of posts that help in moving gaming events and communities forward which is important to those of us working together via the NVGA.

Jaxel: Two important issues you raise I will address briefly in this forum,

1) NVGA is only responding now that there is this thread with complaints.

It's an important issue we will address. The problem is mostly structural. NVGA chapters are completely independent organizations that associate and support each other. Despite the problem cited here with the SC Nats organization DFG and CCC have a long track record of running great gaming events, for many years and very successfully. Many organizations and leaders have and will assert this to be a fact. CCC is a quality gaming organization. NVGA functions in a support role.

In this case it looks like we didn't provide enough support in some key areas to assist the good work done by CCC for the scope and demands of this event. As a wider group we did not get involved with all of the details that may have been discussed.

We are naturally paying more attention to the aftermath since this was still a group project with CCC at the lead. That's why we are taking notes from and responding to this thread since it's part of the final results of the SuperCon. We would have responded whether public or private. Good and bad we're reviewing what we did. We WILL make some changes in future so we can support both chapters like CCC better as well as event partners like 8WayRun.

2) Transparency

We also believe in transparency within reasonable and productive limits. We don't think any organization, business, family or otherwise has any requirement to disclose every minute detail of their operations to the world.

We do want to be transparent as it relates to our mission and purpose and with respect to our operational guidelines, especially when it comes to areas of money and prizes. We absolutely want to deliver whatever we promise. In the interest of general transparency I will tell you that NVGA did not make a dime on the Soul Calibur Nationals or even on the SuperCon in general. We loss/invested money in it.

We don't think it's good for gaming if communities like 8WayRun or organizations like NVGA have to lose money in order to run good gaming events. A lot of good gaming organizations have appeared and disappeared based on that issue. Clearly that's another area we will have to plan for much better going forward, and we will.
 
Thank you from the NVGA

Also, as far as Chingacook goes, everytime I go to NM, this guy helps run very organized good tournaments. I can vouche this guy knows what he's doing and defending nats IMO is a VERY uphill battle.

q4t

even though u put me and krayzie in the first round in that nm tourny =p

i miss sc2 :(
 
Thank you from the NVGA

Man Wtf is going on in here quit complaining and jus play video games... 2nd year i think it went perfect. Way to go NVGA i love you guys. .
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Everything we did this "2nd" year of nationals was to please you guys, nothing was maliciously intended. Yeah so things went wrong, so what. All we can do is try and fix it and make it better next year so we try and make it better. If you didnt have fun my bad. Sorry for not catering to your every need all can do is try. We'll be back next year hope to see you there.
 
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