Setsuka - Q&A Thread

I've seen people discussing whether sliding agB or the "2 finger method" works best but I haven't found anyone explaining how to do it, well, the 2 finger method. Sliding is pretty self explanatory but I really want to learn it the other way. I've seen CheeseoftheDay's video but I still don't understand the technique. Can someone help me with this?

Thx
 
I think the '2 finger' way is for when you use either an arcade stick or 'the claw' method when using a pad (palm facing the face of the pad, index and middle finger over A and B buttons).
I slide a~g with thumb , then hit left trigger(B+G), jf everytime.
 
Yeh I was the same as you, when i used pad. I'm looking for how you actually do the 2 finger method on the stick, as I recently swapped o stick.
 
i normally have a pretty defensive playstyle and a lot of ppl tell me i should use setsuka because i like to let u attack and fuck up so i can punish u. ive actually wanted to learn how to use her for some time but havent really had the time to truely dedicate myself to learning a new character til now. anything i need to know right out the box or i should i get to practicing and finding what moves work for different situations? i could just read it all here i know but reading it and applying it in actual combat is two different things. Practice mode is about to once again become my best friend.

oh ya another question...i usually do mirrors in practice mode(on edgemaster of course) until i feel i know the moves(by know the moves i mean when the aI does a move or combo i can instantly copy said combo or move off the top of my head without thinking) then i start practicing against the other characters(usually the the bad matchups 1st) is this a habbit i need to continue or stop?
 
I would not recommend using Setsuka as a defensive character. I find the pressure she can apply is essential to her style, but that's just me.

As far as I am concerned, punishers that can deal a lot of damage quickly and easily are Sophitia, Mitsurugi and to a lesser extent Cervantes and Astaroth.
 
I use asta a lot he fits my style. im defensive to an extent. ill sit back and let u attack until u do something to put me at an advantage....from then on i do everything i can to keep u from having time to even think about attacking. I GI as much as possible. i guess u could say im deceptively defensive...one on offense i tarely stop til ur KO'd CF'd or RO'd
 
Can't get A+K,B to work

Okay, I do her A throw, then like everyone else, I try to do A+K,B. It works just peachy in training, but every time I do it in a normal fight (online), I end up not jumping over them and the B whiffs and I'm left in BT at a disadvantage. Other Setsukas have done it to me online, so what am I doing wrong?
 
Can't get A+K,B to work

Like most moves when you go online, you cant wait for the visual at all. As soon as you hit A+K, hit B. don't wait till you're over their body or anything.
 
Can't get A+K,B to work

Like most moves when you go online, you cant wait for the visual at all. As soon as you hit A+K, hit B. don't wait till you're over their body or anything.
I thought that's what I was doing, (the B does come out, but I always end up in front of them), but I will try again.
 
Ok, just looking for advice on pulling of setsuka's 214B+G 214~3aB. I only manage to get it sometimes but most of the time, i just get moves i aint trying to do to come out.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thx

You just need to get some practice on the timing, like everything else Setsuka. You start the buffer as the last slice hits and input aB before she fully sheaths her sword. Like almost before she sheaths her sword. If u start the buffer too early, you'll get 3A or 3B, too late and your umbrella will whiff. it is an extremely short buffer window, but if by now you have callus on your thumb from umbrellas, the buffer window is cake. it's just knowing when to start. Just make sure u slide the aB before she's half way sheathing the sword. It doesn't have to be a JF but, a 214B+G~JF Umbrella is just sex!


As for picking up setsuka, she is probably the most difficult but most rewarding SC4 player to pick up. A lethal high level setsuka player is a player who has mastered "Perfection". Setsuka is the most unforgiving high tier character their is. you don't get lucky with setsuka, you have to work HARD and apply what you've worked on to win. an umbrella to finish off a combo is sick and sexy, missing the umbrella means punishment. missing a JF means punishment.

To be good with Sets, you have to be quick and precise. Set's key is Precision. and thats y people love have so much fun playing with her. 1B:B 214~3B:B 214~3a:B combo just make the hair on the back of your neck stand and tingle. makes other people stand up on the couch shout out and scream "BOyyyYY thats a 3 JF combo BIAAATCHHH HAH!"

To me, their is 5 stages all sets players go thru, well the ones who make it to the 5th stage anyways..

1st Stage:
Just picked her up and realizing how much of a bitch she is to play with, start cursing more than a drunk sailor. Then, a bottle of Asprin, some Bengay for your thumb and 2 brand new controllers later, u reach stage 2, if you havn't quit by then.

2nd Stage:
People who make it past the first stage have realized two things; 1 that Sets has hella good potential and she can be hella fun to play with and, 2 That fuck, it's gonna take some hard fuckin work to bring out her potential but fuck count me in! This is when your refining your timing for JF's and and trying to get that fucking JF umbrella down. You start to get a feel for some of her combos and discover A+B..

3rd Stage:
This is probably your biggest jump. This is when u start spamming JF umbrellas and 33B like no tomorrow, and if your not doing that, your fishing for aGIs and B+K combos. u will try to JF umbrella everything, possible RO, wall hits, counter hits, and the JF flash is trigger happy. You will also go thru the phase and try to win atleast one round by just using JF's. Yo! look at me and my awesome JF skillzzz. Hey, you've worked hard, showboat sum.

I find my self between here 3rd and 4th... hmm.. i'm like.. carefully spamming? hmm...

4th Stage
This is when you realize that spamming JF's, isn't whats gonna win ya the big games.. You'll find yourself adapting a fighting style at this stage. This is where u learn the next level to sets "Precision" game and you'll find yourself working on that more and more. You've got all of Sets tools now under ur belt and at will. Now all thats left to do is calculate where to use them

5th Stage
This is when you've mastered Set's Precision game. Where you know when to apply all of Sets moves effectively. Know various strings that can be aGIed, effectively using her stance for keeping up the pressure and mind games. combos are done without whiffs. Effectively using her JF's and at will anytime.

Set's beauty is in her difficulty. taking away her Jf's or making them easier would be like ripping the stars off generals.
 
how to do JF umbrella

Hey guys. IDK if this is been asked, but why is it that I can do JF umbrellas (sometimes), after a A+K B popup, but I can't just throw out a 214~3a:B simply standing there? Is it just a mental block, or is there something about doing umbrellas in a combo that lets you jf them, but you can't do it from a standstill?

Also, what is the timing for the a:B? I thought someone once said you just roll it as fast as you can, but I can still never get it to jf, I just get regular umbrella.
 
For the timing for JF umbrella, not sure what to tell you except to keep doing umbrella; eventually you'll start hitting the JF ones and you should be able to 'feel' if you're doing it right.

For the first question, do you play on pad or stick? I'm trying to switch completely over to stick and I know I was (and still am, to a point) problems playing her the way I play her on stick. Not sure if it's the same thing, but I noticed my problem with pulling out umbrellas has to do with the way my hand was positioned (still trying to find some type of position where I feel comfortable doing everything). Just try doing it and practice mode and take note of your execution and then take it into an actual match and try to realize the differences.
 
how to do JF umbrella

Hey guys. IDK if this is been asked, but why is it that I can do JF umbrellas (sometimes), after a A+K B popup, but I can't just throw out a 214~3a:B simply standing there? Is it just a mental block, or is there something about doing umbrellas in a combo that lets you jf them, but you can't do it from a standstill?

Also, what is the timing for the a:B? I thought someone once said you just roll it as fast as you can, but I can still never get it to jf, I just get regular umbrella.

The more i think about pulling out a JF umbrella the more it doesn't come out. the less i think about it and play setsuka, i find my every umbrella being a JF. It's not just in combos, it's definately a mind thing, like how ur not thinking trying to force it out as much as you would from a standstill. Just don't try to hard, and u'll get it.

As for the timing... a:B the slide has to be done within a frame PLUS when :B: is pressed, :A: should be released. As in :A: shouldn't be registering when hitting :B:. This is the likely reason people tend to screw this up when trying to force it out. Just be smooth and it'll come out, nice hot and silky..
 
just air combo?

i had trouble with it until i realized the timing was exactly like cervy 3A:B. right after u press 1A, release and tap it again, then quickly (and smoothly) slide your finger across A once again. the reason you should slide the last A instead of simple mash is because it needs a slightly delayed timing.
Ex- 1A:A~A. that's generally how you can work it offline, but online will be different. Hope that was some use ^-^ good luck.
 
I imagine it's possible if you're unbelievably fast, but, if you're doing it out of blockstun or something like that, it comes out at fastest timing so long as you don't miss the input.
 
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