siegfrieds bad matchups.

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Drazien56

[08] Mercenary
Ive done a whole lot of research on this, and i really cant nail on the head who is just straight up a bad matchup for siegfried.

anyone got some info for me.
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and on that noise, i know when we are talking about " the best players" i guess it goes to play style for determining a good or bad matchup. This is just in general terms.
 
I'm a Raphael/Voldo mainer, and though I've crushed alot of Siggy's, the good ones are usually pretty even.

Seriously, Siggy's 3b alone saves him, if it wasn't for this 1 fucking move, Raphael would rape the shit outta you guys....

Ruiner
 
Setsuka is a bad match up for Sig's.

:] Me and Setsuka have absolutely trampled on them. Stancing is pretty, but it don't help you when you're up against someone with a JF-Umbrella, especially considering you can't block while stanced.

Another bad match up is Mitsurugi, 2KB for the win. Lmao.

But yeah, that 3B B is sig's only Bullshit move that actually matters against certain characters.
 
This is my first SC game, so I dunno how Siggy worked before

but all his stance dancing....high damage...high SC crush...it's all garbage.

The ONLY THING that stops my Raphael(and even Voldo for the most part) is Siggy's 3b, THIS 1 MOVE allows the spacing/defensive boost he needs in order to NOT have Raphael/Voldo on top of him 24/7 murdering his slow ass......

Ruiner
 
Raphael is a bitch matchup for Sieg online. Offline, Sieg trashes the shit out of Raphael. 3B's absurd tech crouch properties really fuck with Raphael's ability to poke and use Prep effectively. Also, transitioning into Chief Hold will step most of Raphael's useful moves.

IMO, Sieg's only shit matchups are Sophitia and Mitsurugi. I haven't had much experience against Cassandra, but from what I've seen, she's nearly as bad as Sophitia.
 
whoa whoa beloved trashin on sig? hold up dude think about it, he's slow but strong, 3b is not trash. i dont know if u notice, but unlike other chars sig doesnt really have combos, he's more of a standing fighter. versus setsuka's 3b or 33b A+B B, JF umbrella. Raph pokes a lot, and he's fast, sig is more of a one hitter IMO. plus if ur raph and voldo raped sig 24/7 no defensive against them, that would just unbalance the game, why not just get up and turn off the system if it's a sig vs raph or voldo.
 
I'm not calling 3b trash at all, I'm saying it's a good move...a broken move, a move, that, alone, makes Raphael not beat the living shit outta siggy. It's quite annoying. I've been beat quite a bit by 2 siggy's in particular with my Raphael, so yeah I know it's not foolproof.

"Raphael is a bitch matchup for Sieg online. Offline, Sieg trashes the shit out of Raphael. 3B's absurd tech crouch properties really fuck with Raphael's ability to poke and use Prep effectively. Also, transitioning into Chief Hold will step most of Raphael's useful moves.""

Again....3b hate...I'm aware of the 1trickpony tool that saves siggy from getting shutdown. VE still works wonders, but yeah.

Ruiner
 
Well obviously any really good player can be a bad match up no matter what char you use, so I still take some ass kickings from a few Siggys out there. But for just average players like myself they start to fall in love with that 3b a lot. I'll get to the point of trying to bait it and crane the hell out of it. Which even when it seems like I'm out of range the auto evade throw still connects waaay more then it doesn't. Which I imagine the other player thinks its crap.... but he works for me. Yun doesn't get much love at all so I dont know exactly who he would be a bad match up for but I can usually keep him at mid range and use my 6 pretty effective. Then it's a matter of blocking that low kick stun siggy has and using my WS k into 1k, kg fun.
 
sigh I hate it when people come into this thread and think they know what a good sieg is capable of. 3B is not his best thing, if your calling his dancing garbage then lets test this shall we....since we can only play online for now hit me up.....trippsilver
 
Sieg is a lot more than just 3B. I am a 3B whore and it's come to my recent attention that my success is directly correlated to NOT abusing 3B.

Beloved, I'm not thrashing Raph but he does have one apparent weakness and that is side step. So much so that 8B+K or 2B+K from Sieg will dodge most of Raph's top moves. In fact I would say Raph is one of Sieg's more even or easier fights depending on how well the Raph compensates for his horizontal game.

If you want to talk about bad matchups I would rather point out to folks with good punishers. Assuming players are playing competently. These matchups will force you to play more conservatively.

Sophitia - is especially good with 236B punishes Sieg out of most of his stances. Good normals and a good soul gauge damage (4B+K) make her a contender you can't take likely.

Xianghua - due to her i11 A knocking out of stances and 1B+K dodges many of your verts. Her primary mixups come from her stance and from crouching, don't let either of things happen if you can help it.

Amy - due to her i11 6BB, but she can be spaced out correctly. Jump back, step well, and mix up attacks at max range.

Kilik - Asura dances makes you angry... his 1B can also dodge Sieg's 3B well for great combo's afterwards. He has the same range as you too, definitely a harder match. Don't forget to always break A from his 236 mount stance, otherwise you eat Festival of the Damned and Asura for RO or just 80ish damage (I dunno number it's just fucking huge).

Taki - Do not let her close distance, she has the only i10 AA in the game, and is not to be messed with.

These are just my opinions though, but they make sense to me.
 
kPc said:
sigh I hate it when people come into this thread and think they know what a good sieg is capable of. 3B is not his best thing, if your calling his dancing garbage then lets test this shall we....since we can only play online for now hit me up.....trippsilver
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he's in australia, just to let you know.

Sieg can be incredbe in the right hands. 3B is far from his best tool. Cheif Hold K can be anoying but its stepable. Cheif hold A is not stepable, but it push's out etc.

What you have to worry about is AGA JF and 22ka2A
. Those two moves are godly if you can do em. If yo have those tools mastered there are hardly any bad matchups for sieggy. Maybe Hilde.
 
In KPC's defense, his Sig is pretty nice.
Some close calls against my Setsuka though, alot of it is because no one really has the experience to deal with her JF's.
He does use 3B alot, but it always leads up to something.

I think we stopped at 1-3, in his favor. So, he's good.

....The rest of you though....you're still in question. O_o
 
Beloved: Gimme a break dude. I hate "if this character DIDN'T have this" garbage. If Hilde didn't have doom combo, if Algol didn't have bubbles, if Sieg didn't have 3, ETC...

You wanna know something? THEY HAVE THOSE MOVES. So just shut up and deal with it. Your "what if" crap has no practical value whatsoever.
 
Beloved- first of all good games and I didnt post that to talk shit or anything like that but after those matches I hope you now see what sieg is capable of in the right hands. ggs and for you being in australia we had a decent connection. until next time

score was 3-1 me but he didnt use his mains he used sets,mitsu, and maxi. 4 bars and I had major troubles blocking lows...ugh gg online

to anyone that thinks that sieg is just 3B, think again, I only know of like 2-3 actual good siegs that play online (psn), the rest play offline.

las- yea last time I played u did do 3B alot but I`m learning to utilize his other moves alot more and just rely on 3B for setups or guaranteed damage, (that or I think the opponent knows nothing about sieg so I may abuse it ;) )
we do need to play again sometime dude, I need some sets practice.
 
That's the other problem naij.....Raphael has to compensate by using kicks that track little left/right, and verticals with slight tracking abilities.

....that's the honest truth. his horizontals are that bad.

No one gives Raphael players the credit they deserve ;_;...A fashion-sensed noble pretty boy ass vampire who doesn't even fight but just pokes and dances.

The person who complained about people coming over here, trashing Siggy....You are MORE THEN WELCOME to go over to the Raphael/Voldo boards and talk anything you want about our characters and why you win/lose to them. We exchange what works/doesn't, learn new idea's, learn how to break each other's bullshit, and GUESS WHAT? We both have to compensate by becoming BETTER PLAYERS.

Welcome to the competitive world of Soul Calibur 4
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"Beloved- first of all good games and I didnt post that to talk shit or anything like that but after those matches I hope you now see what sieg is capable of in the right hands. ggs and for you being in australia we had a decent connection. until next time

score was 3-1 me but he didnt use his mains he used sets,mitsu, and maxi. 4 bars and I had major troubles blocking lows...ugh gg onlin"

....WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I main Raphael/Voldo, as if the top of every single one of my posts didn't mention that for you. After going over the thread I think now you meant to say someone else's name. I'm quite far from Australia.

Tiament/tiamant/chubby behemoth wtf ever......I understand that, and I'm still learning ways to punish and counter it(which Raphael's best punisher is a high....LOVE IT!!) Didn't mean to come off as "WOE IS ME AND SIGGY 3B" or anything.

Ruiner
 
beloved- next time before you post....pay attention....think...then post. I said you were from australia cuz a guy from above said you were

I said you DIDN'T use your mains so calm the fuck down. once again....pay attention.....think...then post. and no I def was referring to you.

second- that was me that said I didnt like people coming into sieg forums talking shit they dont know about...ipso facto you. notice that you dont even see my name in other forums talking shit....why? because I dont play anyone else seriously besides sieg and cervy and you dont even see my name in cervy threads. I dont know why you didnt choose to use your mains nor do I care a bit, you talked smack about sieg, you tried using sets top tier then when I beat her, you go off and say "oh well sieg is her only threat". man GTFO I was trying to be nice with my first post but whatever, get out of this thread.
 
There's not real bad matchups against Siegfried in SC4... Siegfried have all the needed moves to face any real struggle. There's a lot of characters like Setsuka that can punish everything in any distance but all that damage is silly comparing the reward...

Any Siegfried player can find a bad matchup when its game style are not good against certain character: If you use a lot 3B, and 3A you will die easily against any Kilik user with Asura Dance abuse...

By example, I have to change entirely my poke game cause can be broken by Mitsurugi and Setsuka using the "guard and punish style" so I have to improve. But my game style is awesome against the other characters.

-Stryker-

PD: There's not easy win anymore, just accept it and enjoy.
 
Kpc, the hypocrisy of that post is too sad to be amusing. READ YOUR OWN WORDS. I was totally cool, that's why I also said in the same post that I see why you "might" have said my name.......But after the "GTFO" of this thread(because you own 8wayrun.com amiright..better runawaaaay!!) You can shut your disgusting fucking mouth kid. Don't come over to my bar and tell me to leave, you're outta your fucking mind.

I'm mature, however, so to avoid starting a flame/troll thread, you're simply ignored from this point forward.

Stryker, You're pretty much correct. Siggy can do plenty of other things besides 3b, but SO MUCH of his game stems from that move, stance dancing after it since the initial i17 spacing tool allowed the safety to do it. It's interesting how it works and I'm recently starting to notice it in most of the Siggy's I play.
 
BelovedChild said:
Kpc, the hypocrisy of that post is too sad to be amusing. READ YOUR OWN WORDS. I was totally cool, that's why I also said in the same post that I see why you "might" have said my name.......But after the "GTFO" of this thread(because you own 8wayrun.com amiright..better runawaaaay!!) You can shut your disgusting fucking mouth kid. Don't come over to my bar and tell me to leave, you're outta your fucking mind.

I'm mature, however, so to avoid starting a flame/troll thread, you're simply ignored from this point forward.

Stryker, You're pretty much correct. Siggy can do plenty of other things besides 3b, but SO MUCH of his game stems from that move, stance dancing after it since the initial i17 spacing tool allowed the safety to do it. It's interesting how it works and I'm recently starting to notice it in most of the Siggy's I play.
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ORLY~~~!?
Seriously, all of this is uncalled for. You guys fought it out, the debate is over in the winners favor. Its really not that serious.
 
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