Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Just so I’m understood clearly, I’m not saying that either Viola or Z.W.E.I. will make it into SoulCalibur VI, merely that their seeds will be sown for the future, much like Dumas Raphael already has been. I don’t believe that we will get a season three either. SoulCalibur VII would see Algol and Hilde coming back, along with possibly Z.W.E.I. and Viola as DLC for that game. This is my opinion as of this moment. Amy’s Soul Chronicle may change my expectations.
 

Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
Just so I’m understood clearly, I’m not saying that either Viola or Z.W.E.I. will make it into SoulCalibur VI, merely that their seeds will be sown for the future, much like Dumas Raphael already has been. I don’t believe that we will get a season three either. SoulCalibur VII would see Algol and Hilde coming back, along with possibly Z.W.E.I. and Viola as DLC for that game. This is my opinion as of this moment. Amy’s Soul Chronicle may change my expectations.
Ahhh, I see. Well yes, that could all very well be (though if there is one part that seems less likely than the rest, its Zwei as DLC).

However, insofar as they keep indicating more and more content at a much faster rate than I ever would have dreamed to hope for just three months ago, I'm not prepared to write of a season three. I mean, afterall, they are pushing this Viola vibe awfully strong--it really does seem like DLC prep. Anyway, as you say, we'll have a lot more to go on in a few weeks!

Li Long is NEVER returning & SCVI isn't getting a Season 3 like Tekken 7 is.
Well, a third season is still probably a long shot, but PS has surprised me so many times as regards expanding the scope of their DLC support for this game that I'm not ruling it out either--not by a longshot. Of course, bear in mind that at PS's current rate of production, we wouldn't see the end of season three for another two plus years, so even if we do get as much content as that, it's going to be a long process..
 
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Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
I just can’t see Rock and Li Long being DLC. Or having Yun-seong with Hwang. But let’s not open that topic again.
 

Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
SCVI Season 2 has been decided.
Yes, it surely has. But you don't know who they are. We all have our best speculation based on the available body of evidence--I'm confident within a fairly high degree of certainty who those six are--but it's doubtful a single person who doesn't work for Namco knows for sure, you and I most certainly included.
 

Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
SoulCalibur III already did it. They’ve only improved at diversifying movesets since then. It’s definitely possible and probable.
Guess what, they didn’t have to sell them as DLC. But again not doing this argument again.
 

Frayhua

[14] Master
SoulCalibur III already did it. They’ve only improved at diversifying movesets since then. It’s definitely possible and probable.
True, but Li Long is NEVER returning.

Yes, it surely has. But you don't know who they are. We all have our best speculation based on the available body of evidence--I'm confident within a fairly high degree of certainty who those six are--but it's doubtful a single person who doesn't work for Namco knows for sure, you and I most certainly included.
I do know all SCVI Season 2 characters: Rock, Yun-seong, Aeon, Hwang, Viola, & Setsuka. I was only wrong about Algol. @Nyte Namco did confirm Rock for SCVI Season 2.

Guess what, they didn’t have to sell them as DLC. But again not doing this argument again.
Games were more complete back in 2005.
 

Heniek

[12] Conqueror
Nothing is "confirmed" untill we recieve an official information from Namco that it is. Everyone would think that Cass is going to be next but it turned out to be Amy.
Also am I only one who doesn't want any more magical-wielding-orbs-werewolves-pokemon-characters-that-are-nightmare-to-balance back? Because Viola was one of if not the worst of characters in that regard in the entire series
 

lightcycle

[10] Knight
I must have missed something, where is all this Viola speculation coming from? Project Soul throwing in a few "clever" references to Viola with Amy does in no way mean they intend to revisit the character or a future which may no longer exist, same as the Dumas reference is in no way indicating that they will follow the same storyline and end up with Raphmare. I'd personally be surprised if Viola was DLC for SCVI. Remember also that we don't know for sure that a possible season 2 would really be six characters. The references found in the data need not be there at this stage, and if they did they would not be codenames, which means they were likely planted. There is a possibility Project Soul is gauging interest by following discussions and seeing which character is most requested.
 

Rusted Blade

[10] Knight
Why y'all acting new, Frayhua has been like this for 7 years now lmao
Yeah, but this "confirmed" nonsense is tedious; just blatantly misrepresenting the status of DLC like that is frankly an absolute dick move, as not all of our community members are aware of the bullshit-to-actual-fact ratio of Frayhau's assertions (30:1, in case anyone was wondering about the exact figure).

Nothing is "confirmed" untill we recieve an official information from Namco that it is. Everyone would think that Cass is going to be next but it turned out to be Amy.
Also am I only one who doesn't want any more magical-wielding-orbs-werewolves-pokemon-characters-that-are-nightmare-to-balance back? Because Viola was one of if not the worst of characters in that regard in the entire series
You know I'm normally 100% with you on this "please give use actual, real world weapons and somewhat grounded designs, instead of more magic/anime goofiness" argument. But I actually think Viola is the best of all the floaty magic weapon styles, by a huge margin; I'd be more than happy to have her back, provided it didn't cost us Amy in any future game.

I must have missed something, where is all this Viola speculation coming from?
What's the most recent info you heard? There was a new dev presentation day before yesterday that added a new still which has further foregrounded the Viola subplot. I'm not sure if you were aware of that/factored it into your assessment. Personally, I still think there's a chance that plot line is just being set up now for a much later pay-off, but by the same token, I have to say that each time we get more indication of dialogue/interaction between Azwel and Amy, with the crystal ball clearly involved, it gets a little harder to not assume that they are setting up Viola for more immediate relevance, somehow.
 
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Heniek

[12] Conqueror
Yeah, but this "confirmed" nonsense is tedious; just blatantly misrepresenting the status of DLC like that is frankly an absolute dick move, as not all of our community members are aware of the bullshit-to-actual-fact ratio of Frayhau's assertions (30:1, in case anyone was wondering about the exact figure).


You know I'm normally 100% with you on this "please give use actual, real world weapons and somewhat grounded designs, instead of more magic/anime goofiness" argument. But I actually think Viola is the best of all the floaty magic weapon styles, by a huge margin; I'd be more than happy to have her back, provided it didn't cost us Amy in any future game.


What's the most recent info you heard? There was a new dev presentation day before yesterday that added a new still which has further foregrounded the Viola subplot. I'm not sure if you were aware of that/factored it into your assessment. Personally, I still think there's a chance that plot line is just being set up now for a much later pay-off, but by the same token, I have to say that each time we get more indication of dialogue/interaction between Azwel and Amy, with the crystal ball clearly involved, it gets a little harder to not assume that they are setting up Viola for more immediate relevance, somehow.
I can agree that by sheer design - Viola is the best from SCV and she is a great character. But what I don't like is how extremely difficult she is to balance and considering that we still have hitbox issues on normal characters she could indeed turn out to be nothing but a hellspawn. But if they somehow manage to do her right I won't have any problems
 

lightcycle

[10] Knight
What's the most recent info you heard? There was a new dev presentation day before yesterday that added a new still which has further foregrounded the Viola subplot. I'm not sure if you were aware of that/factored it into your assessment. Personally, I still think there's a chance that plot line is just being set up now for a much later pay-off, but by the same token, I have to say that each time we get more indication of dialogue/interaction between Azwel and Amy, with the crystal ball clearly involved, it gets a little harder to not assume that they are setting up Viola for more immediate relevance, somehow.
I knew there was a presentation, but my interest in the game is waning at the moment so I'll confess I haven't looked into the details of it. I did see some screenshots with a bit of dialog from the presentation, and I just got the feeling they were only referencing Viola in an easter egg sort of way, without intending to go anywhere with it.

EDIT: Note that I am not surprised that Amy's inclusion in the game brings up talk of Viola, or that Project Soul would be referencing Viola in Amy's costume or dialog. I am however surprised there is speculation that Viola would be added as DLC later, that I don't see happening.
 

TresDias

[06] Combatant
This is a reboot (even if you refuse to accept that), they can change things as needed.
They have. There are changes, right up to Zasalamel’s secret final chapter that unambiguously confirms that this is a reboot.
"Right up to" is a tad misleading a choice of words here -- "beginning with" would probably be more appropriate.

Anyway, while yes, this is taking shape as a new timeline, Z.W.E.I. still exists in this one as well. He was definitely older than 17 or 18 in SCV, so his birth isn't going to be nullified as an unforeseen consequence of events after the timeline divergence.

I will be very surprised if he isn't -- at the very least -- referenced at some point or featured like Arthur was in Libra of Soul. He's available for them to use, so it's not going to be shocking if they do.

No, we don’t need to bring ZWEI back especially not by some contrived twist that he’s actually Grøh.
I really don’t need to see ZWEI.
I have my doubts that Project Soul is basing their decisions on your preferences -- particularly your borderline irrational disdain for this particular character. =P
.Viola getting in amounts to her being the Kenshi of SCV, as in the one character that caught on and was rebooted in the New Timeline.
Kenshi isn't even close to being the only non-classic (i.e. MK4 or later) character included in the new MK timeline. Not even when looking at just MK (2011).
Note that I am not surprised that Amy's inclusion in the game brings up talk of Viola, or that Project Soul would be referencing Viola in Amy's costume or dialog. I am however surprised there is speculation that Viola would be added as DLC later, that I don't see happening.
I don't think any of us expect her to be in SCVI, but there will be a SCVII at some point and there will be characters in there that aren't in this one. They're pretty clearly making a path for Viola to be one of those characters.

The main reason I think many people support and hope for a clone type solution is the fear of Amy being permanently replaced by Viola. Which was a nightmare the last time and is a legitimate fear.
I can understand the concern -- she is my favorite character too, after all. But I just don't see the need to go that route when they can easily have classic Amy and present-day Amy available to select.
 

Robert_J_King

Royal Impact Style
I know we discussed this already but it would be weird to have Rock instead of Bangoo. They already wrote Rock off and sent him back to America.