Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Let’s just do what generally works or gives a clue:

@Vergeben! I hereby evoke thee from thine abyss!
Hi.

@Vergeben Did anyone point out the different background used in the later builds of the game? Maybe that's what your source was telling you about.

First build (Sophie & Mitsu build):
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EVO Build:
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Also, the small circles on the lower right and left side of the select screen did NOT exist in the first build of the game:
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No one did until you, but I will pass that along too.

It's funny how everybody has completely erased the possibility of brand new characters being in the SP.
Uh... if they're in the season pass then yeah.
If said newcomer looks good, yeah I'm sure people would buy them.
Given who and where the information about that big dark skinned 'amazonian' type woman that was scrapped came from, I do not doubt they'll try and include her at some point. If she was intended to be SCVI's new female character addition and did not make the cut, which they were said to be regrettable about, and there being the obvious fan demand for a new female character since it is honestly unusual not to have one, then it stands to reason she would make it in before everything is all said and done with the game's support.
Still, it needs to be successful enough to get that kind of continued support.

It's actually not easy to bring excitement and hype with new character compared to an already established character. That why i think Capcom recently revealed G alongside Sagat.
Or it was just that they were done with both of them and wanted to be done with Season 3 because they're ahead of schedule and making way for Season 4.
SPOILER ALERT
They are.

Companies do such baffling things sometimes. I won't comment on the pachislo game as I don't know how much that has earned them, but they've done other projects which just seemed doomed from the start. Namco's whole push around 2013 to do a lot of free-to-play titles seemed very ill-advised. They didn't go multi-platform, they went with a platform where free-to-play has not proven to be successful yet, and one of the games they release is a fighting game... with no versus mode whatsoever. I don't think anyone is surprised that didn't work out. The whole free-to-play push seemed like a desperate and poorly planned attempt to chase the free-to-play market which was exploding on PC and smartphones at the time.

And now recently they announced they'll be publishing Bless Online to consoles, a game which has flopped numerous times on PC already. It seems pretty obvious that decisions are ultimately made by people in business suits, and not by people who actually have a good idea what actually makes popular games popular.

If it weren't for missteps like that, I imagine we would have seen SC6 earlier and maybe with a bigger budget.
Console.
It's only confirmed to be on Xbox One of all things first.

That voice and personality is VERY familiar. Its gonna bug me till i find out where i've heard it. Anyone know the VA's name?
His voice actor did a hell of good job with his lines. Wow!
Azwel is definetly boss material & his papi like Vergeben said.
He is voiced by Taliesin Jaffe. He's Groh's papi.

Azwel buster too good:

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And one of you Voldo players has to use this as your avatar:

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I love how they added the extra touch of him sitting in mediation style for the falling down on the ground part.

Will we ever find out who that was that cosplayed as Voldo? I feel like they won't admit to it since they made Okubo and Markman mad. lol

Raph being all but confirmed now makes me absurdly happy. The Azwel guy said multiple times that Raph had full narration strings like all the other mainstays and "is in there, clear as day". :sc4rap1:
Tira had lines recorded for her and referencing her last year and she still was made DLC.
I'm going to remain skeptical how they decide on "delivering" Raphael to us. Especially after I heard that comment about his fans sweating.
Sure, that could be taken as he got cut (that would be the ultimate bullshit), got bumped as DLC, or is just still terrible as almost ever.
Excuse me if I ponder what that meant in accordance to what is going on with him.

First he posted was one of this : 18 june 2018

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I guess the full char list from the Azwel leaker is:

Mitsurugi
Seong Mi-na
Taki
Maxi
Voldo
Sophitia
Siegfried
Ivy Blade (she's coded like this in every game's files)
Kilik
Xianghua
Yoshimitsu
Nightmare
Astaroth
Inferno
Cervantes
Lizardman
Raphael
Hwang
Talim
Tira
Zasalamel
Groh
Azwel
Geralt

I think that adds up.

Apparently two different leakers on 4chan called out Azwel by name. Both had Raph on their lists. The first also had Hwang (though they questioned his status as a playable character) and Lizardman. The second leaker did not include Hwang and Lizardman.

First leaker : https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/420992832/#421036963

"This list >>421028621 was actually me, and this is based off the files I've worked on.
As I said, I'm not 100% sure Hwang is in because he didn't have a "Narrator" segment while every other characters had one, but maybe that segment wasn't just in the file at the time.
I don't know why that leak guy that said Raphael wasn't in came from, he's in there, clear as day.

I'm tempted to believe Create-a-Soul is in the game, because it looks like you're fighting lot of NPC (Taki fights against some dudes of the Fuma clan, you fight Malfested with Sophitia, Yoshimitsu and Voldo fight against a lot of mooks) and some characters seems to have generic lines adressed to the "Player", that would probably imply it's a CaS.
I think the other newcomer might be some dude called Azwel, the rival of Groh. I guess this will be the ultimate proof if I'm bullshitting or not. "

Second leaker : https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/425562134/

"only time i spoke about the roster i said some new evil wizard guy because i couldnt remember his name, if someone else said azwel then they're in the know "

I was thinking the same, because the game date was changed before announcement it is possible they added content, however we cannot be sure yet, maybe the second leak where they don't appear might be post and they had to cut them for some reason, relegating Lizardman to a CaS race to cut up the losses.

The leak, the complete version, says Cassandra and Hwang are in the game's story mode, as in they appear in it. Which is a interesting piece of information, that said I think we will find soon enough, after this week there will be only about 6 more 2 weeks cycles and 1 of them is before the game is out, so only 4 2 weeks cycles.

Which means, if we get reveal trailer for all character, September will give us all answers.

Now as know the wizard's name is Azwel, we know that the 4chan leaks (or least one of the posts) are correct. I decided to go down the rabbit hole and dig through the relevant 4chan threads.

I'll try my best to write a summary, but if people want the information verbatim, then here's all the information I copied and pasted which seemed relevant: https://pastebin.com/raw/7j2JJQnU (sorry, this is not super organized. I also included links to the relevant threads but note those links are not SFW as there's pictures of borderline pornography and some offensive language)

There were 3 threads which 2 different leakers posted in. The first guy didn't make many posts at all. He claimed the remaining characters (as of June) were:
  • Seung Mina
  • Talim
  • Tira
  • Voldo
  • Astaroth
  • Azwel
  • Cervantes
  • Raphael
  • Lizardman
  • Hwang
He later clarifies he's not sure if Hwang is in since he can't find any narrator strings for him. And he claims he's worked on localization for the game. He also says he thinks create-a-soul is back, and he notes that some characters fight a lot of generic enemies (Taki fights a lot of Fuma clan people, Sophitia fights Malfested enemies, Yoshimitsu and Voldo fight a lot of "mooks"). He also said he doesn't think Cassandra is in the game but she has a cameo during Sophitia's story mode.

And then there's guy number two who posted a LOT in two different threads. I initially thought this could be the same as the above guy, but looking through more posts, they definitely are not. The second guy mainly talked a lot about Libra of Souls mode (he never mentioned it by name, only as "the create a fighter adventure mode"). Here's a bunch of stuff he mentioned:
  • Lizardman is not playable, though you can make custom lizardmen.
  • Says he doesn't think Cassandra is in the game.
  • There's a create-a-soul adventure mode where you travel between different nodes doing quests and there's an item shop.
  • You get XP and money for doing side quests and some "fanservice cameo stuff."
  • At the start of the adventure mode, Zasalamel tells you that you're cursed by the Evil Seed and you must roam the world to close dimensional shifts created by Soul Edge.
  • You team up with Maxi and Mitsurugi early in the adventure mode.
  • There's one NPC who looks like they could be Talim's sister (looks much older than Talim).
  • You unlock Inferno by beating the story mode.
  • Says there's a new character who is an "evil wizard guy." (he said this as a reply to a random statement by someone describing the look of the "wizard guy" and that Inferno is a mimic, so I guess there's a third leaker amongst all of this? Or maybe he doubleposted.)
  • He lists the entire roster (this is the big list I posted some weeks ago), which is the same as the one Azwel guy posted except this one adds Inferno, and has no Lizardman or Hwang. And he mentions Azwel by name.
He said this as reply to someone asking if he was "that Azwel guy":


I should note that one of his earlier posts said that he doesn't think Seong Mi-na isn't in. But he also said he hadn't worked on the game for months so he couldn't remember all the character names (he said Cervantes, Astaroth, Raphael and some Chinese female character he couldn't remember the name of hadn't been announced yet), and he said he would look up the character names once he was able to at work so he could post about it (which eventually lead to that one big list he posted). I'm assuming the "Chinese" character he couldn't remember the name of was actually Seong Mi-na, and his original statement about Seong Mi-na probably not being in was an honest mistake.

Note that it's technically impossible to tell who is who in 4chan posts, so it's possible some random replies were fakes (though I only found one instance where someone had to go out of their way to say that a reply was someone impersonating him). And I wanna emphasize all of these posts were made back in June and July, that's before Azwel, Seong Mi-na, Astaroth, and other reveals. Both of these leakers haven't been wrong about any of the revealed characters so far (their lists are also nearly identical except for Hwang and Lizardman).

One interesting things is that both never talked about DLC ever. Both listed Tira, but they didn't seem to be aware she was DLC (at least they never mentioned it). And never they said anything about who the other DLC characters are.

There are two more posts I might as well mention, but I don't think these two posts were made by either of the above guys. Both of these posts were part of a reply chain where leaker #2 eventually started saying stuff.

Post 1:

He included this picture: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449840053049360388/483163790460846080/1532455597263.png

This mainly looks like a compilation of stuff said by Vergeben (and the first Azwel leaker), so I think this is just someone repeating information rather than someone who's actually leaking.

Post 2:

Leaker #2 replied to this message and said "he's right i'm afraid". But leaker #2 never said anything about ever knowing any DLC details, so it's possible he thought that message was right because he hasn't seen any details about her being part of the game, but he does know she's part of the Sophitia's story mode.

... Aaaaaaaand that's it! It's unfortunate it's impossible to verify who's who on 4chan as that makes it hard to trust every single post which looks to be by the same guy, and it makes it so much harder to parse all of this stuff. But I think it's extremely clear both of these guys are legit leakers. The first guy mentioned Azwel by name and he'd be the luckiest person in the world if he randomly guessed that name. The second guy mentions so many specific details about Libra of Souls mode which makes him even more believable (I should note what he said about Zasalamel being in the introduction of Libra of Souls mode matches up with one of the screenshots Namco released).
I redundantly quoted two things that included what Sectus did anyway, but w/e
I should probably come out and say now that what lead to me being told Cassandra was in was an assumption based on lines recorded. That assumption was something I could later when pressed about it never got a hard yes on whether or not she was definitely being included as a playable character.
Their recorded dialogue information only was up to a certain point, which is where the "probably not Mi-Na" thing came from, as her lines were recorded later, after the point in which they knew about recorded dialogue.
I apologize for that back then. I can only make due with the information I am given.
But we got an actually surprising character reveal none of us were expecting thanks to that. So we can't complain.

To get to a point, I'm still not sure what's going on with Cassandra, that leak about her being a story NPC only might be true.
They never talked about the amount of dialogue recorded for Cassandra. Which could be another factor why they refused to give me a hard yes on her. We'll see what happens.
They told me they can't tell me much more at this point because of certain factors, but assured me that people will generally enjoy the game a whole lot, "even if Ivy and Groh might result in some people complaining about them online early on."

I am basically repeating myself on this point too, but I don't know the full launch roster nor the DLC because they can't tell me much more for reasons I'd rather not publicly disclose. My best bet is hearing something from my original SCVI source, since my main SCVI source can't say much more at the moment. Maybe for the foreseeable future too.

But, if we are going off of old information that I heard what is a long time ago now at this point, Hilde was a character they intend on including, but as DLC. The question is how soon? As I was told a while back, they had plans at a point for close to something around 7 to 10 DLC characters iirc (someone can look into the exact estimate I was told, but that's how I remember it) but cut back for the season pass to only include what we find out is "4."
Viola/Amy (likely as Viola from now on) was a character I heard back then that was very likely to be DLC. With no word on when. Only that DLC was how she would return.
As long as the game is successful and gets support, we will get those remaining characters, at least another guest character as Okubo has said if that all works out, and I find it hard to imagine that in the very least one more new character coming as DLC, being that big dark skinned woman they wanted to add but cut for reasons we probably won't know.
I would hope that the SCVI artbook includes some scrapped character concept art. That way we could see what she looked like and maybe a "Linkle situation" like Hyrule Warriors had happens where concept art in the artbook leads to online support and adding the character to the game later.

I hate that I can't give you all the answers. You know I'd love to and would if I had them. xD
But I would not be surprised if these leaks add up. But I can't help but wonder if there is still some kind of caveat to what they heard, since they did not hear Tira would be DLC either. When I look at those list of names, I keep zeroing in on Raphael, and what I heard and how it correlates to him and his status? What did that comment actually mean?
Even my source didn't know for sure. They assumed it meant no Raphael, like I told you before. But it is such a strange comment. And with Tira being DLC, it makes me think... did he get cut during development? Moved to DLC? What would making Raphael fans stress and have "stress sweat" and sweating over him even mean?
That is still such a weird comment.
Is he just low tier again? Does he get killed off in the story? I simply don't understand that.

As for Lizardman, I already told you before that I heard generic ones would be in the game (Create a Soul confirmed this) but I could not get a clear answer on if the actual would be playable and have a unique moveset or not.
I feel like if he doesn't, then it makes sense why Lizardman wouldn't be playable, because you can just create one, slap the name on him, and you have "Lizardman."
I'm in the camp that hopes he has a Patroklos style moveset though. It would just be right if they give him the S&S style again, that is essentially Patroklos with Lizardman moves and stances combined.

As for Hwang, I said it here before that I heard a while ago that between Hwang and Yun-Seong, Hwang was who the more likely one to return and who was preferred. So if he makes it, one way or another, I am not surprised.
There is also that shot in the Libra of Soul trailer of an artwork of silhouetted generics that had one of them holding a dao sword like Hwang or Yun-Seong use. It would be strange and kind of stupid to include that but not the actual weapon / fighting style.

My closing thoughts will be on this DualShockers article about SCVI being the end of the series if it is not successful enough....
It's kind of ironic that the person who used me by lying and saying that it also was on Switch to try and rally support behind it being on it made me look like an ass at the time when it was announced and was not confirmed for it, but I can admit that I understand the value of it now with the Switch's success.
I know some people might not want to hear it, or even admit it, but if SCVI does get a Switch port later, it can only stand to help the game's success ratio. Especially if they do go for the jugular and add Link. Sure he wouldn't be tournament legal due to being console exclusive.... but would casuals care? No because it's Link. They could do some Nintendo themed CaS parts too just to make that version even more enticing for consumers.
I do recommend rallying and putting together some kind of centralized support for SCVI on Switch tweet or something like that like DBFZ got that went straight to all the Bandai Namco twitters and the game's producer and resulted in the game getting a port, which comes out soon.
I recommend that the Soul Calibur fanbase and community do the same for SCVI. It will help. Trust me.
The Switch install base loves port begging. We all know and see that. But this is actually very important if we want SCVI to survive even further passed its initial release. I'm going to do what I can to get in a certain someone's ear and bug them to try and rally support for that to happen too.
 
Ok, some words from me. I hope remain unrevealed characters are: Cervantes, Hwang, New female character, Inferno, Lizardman and Raphael, but I count on Cassandra and Rock making it too. The game looks and sounds beautiful and gameplay seems great. BUT there are very little stages, even less than in SC4 :( No traditional Japanese/Chinese stage or raft or ship??? This is bulls hit, and don't let me talk about Tira being DLC again.... I will buy her I think. Oh and Azwell looks very cool, he has this oldschool, scary charisma with him and the final stage looks very SC1 nostalgic. Peace
 
7 to 10 DLC I'm guessing n that's with CaS parts and not only character but still if that was true we would have 2 season pass... We will see if the sales convince Namco to release that.
Still kinda sad that they want to remplace Amy for Viola forever, but I guess I'll take Viola over no Amy at all xD
 
What supposed leaks information about the DLC?
Cassandra and Hilde, but you see a detailed elaboration of that if you look at Vergeben's post if you scroll up.

They told me they can't tell me much more at this point because of certain factors, but assured me that people will generally enjoy the game a whole lot, "even if Ivy and Groh might result in some people complaining about them online early on."
If that quote is from the same person who said "stress sweat" I'd assume they mean Raphael is in but yet again he's weak balance-wise.

I'm sad that chances for Cassandra making it is now extremely low, but at least we're getting SC6 at all. I really hope they'll support the game like with Tekken 7 and keep doing more DLC.
 
I'm okay the actual roster based on the leak except Inferno, but i guess they want the game to feel like SC1 ad he'll probably be just a mimic soooo.

If that roster is 100% true. There won't be too many characters with super unique moveset left, and Setsuka will be one of them,so still high chances,also same goes for Hilde. Cassandra and even Amy have chances to make in DLCs as well. Personally i'm hoping more for Setsuka and Cassandra. I would also add Zwei but don't know if they put SCV characters in even as DLC.

If this is the last chance for SoulCalibur then it would be a very bad idea to choose Hilde and Setsuka as DLCs over more popular characters like Cassandra and Amy judging by the official poll they took into consideration when choosing Talim as the most favorite character of the franchise.

Damn it, I want them all. They should have done a bigger Season Pass with 7 returning characters at least for that price! I mean Season Pass costs half the game... so they could even put 10 characters. That would be legit. But nope. They did not learn from Tekken 7 after all...

What killed me most was Tira being left appart from the main roster to sell it for extra feed. She was clearly finished before the game going Gold status. That was a low move... It means we will only see two more returning characters because the third one will definitely be that 2B everyone seems to care about (not me).
 
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Cassandra and Hilde, but you see a detailed elaboration of that if you look at Vergeben's post if you scroll up.


If that quote is from the same person who said "stress sweat" I'd assume they mean Raphael is in but yet again he's weak balance-wise.

I'm sad that chances for Cassandra making it is now extremely low, but at least we're getting SC6 at all. I really hope they'll support the game like with Tekken 7 and keep doing more DLC.
Why force Hilde that much when Amy, Setsuka and Viola placed better than her, I can see Cassandra coming later as DLC but putting Hilde over the other 3 seems like a poor decision, then again the poll doesn't mean anything to most people... So who knows.
 
Hi everyone i'm new here.

What do you guys think the chances of Inferno having his 3 unique moves from SC1, 2 and 3AE.
Pretty good chance, I think. And maybe even more new moves we've never seen before, in his Soul Charge and Critical Edge attacks. It would elevate him above just being a mimic, and make him a little more interesting, like Elysium. I think Elysium got a lot more hate than she deserved because SoulCalibur V had three mimics. If there was only one mimic, and they had a unique Critical Edge attack and modified movesets for every moveset, then it would be great, instead of the incompleteness that actually was SoulCalibur V.
 
I should probably come out and say now that what lead to me being told Cassandra was in was an assumption based on lines recorded. That assumption was something I could later when pressed about it never got a hard yes on whether or not she was definitely being included as a playable character.

I'm sad that chances for Cassandra making it is now extremely low, but at least we're getting SC6 at all. I really hope they'll support the game like with Tekken 7 and keep doing more DLC.

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Pretty good chance, I think. And maybe even more new moves we've never seen before, in his Soul Charge and Critical Edge attacks. It would elevate him above just being a mimic, and make him a little more interesting, like Elysium. I think Elysium got a lot more hate than she deserved because SoulCalibur V had three mimics. If there was only one mimic, and they had a unique Critical Edge attack and modified movesets for every moveset, then it would be great, instead of the incompleteness that actually was SoulCalibur V.

I know it won't happen but how awesome would it be if Inferno's Soul charge had him don Nightmare's armour and make him look like SC4 Nightmare. I agree on Elysium she should of been the only mimic.
 
I know it won't happen but how awesome would it be if Inferno's Soul charge had him don Nightmare's armour and make him look like SC4 Nightmare. I agree on Elysium she should of been the only mimic.

I hope SCVI has a mimic free roster like SCIV,

Raphael could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, as we are not sure if/how he will be here, then for sure it causes a lot of stress sweat until then.
Maybe it just means he would be the last one revealed and... Oooh where are you Raphael ? :sc2rap1:

Fits one of the list of blurred names, has a stage similar to his SCV stage, Evil Seed Incident Pre-SCII bio before searching for Soul Edge, & has been in 4 games in a row. If he was made DLC or cut from the roster the backlash would be just as bad as Talim being unfinished code in SCV & the Tira Day 1 DLC backlash right now.

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just a complement about Evil Seed:
  • A French noble went mad and attacked fellow nobleman Raphael Sorel, only to be killed as Raphael defended himself.
  • Aeon Calcos, then still human, went mad and slaughtered an entire village of people.
  • Gel-o-Fury, a demon, broke free of his imprisonment in the Bamboo Shrine of Ōmi Province.
  • The Grand Labyrinth where Olcadan was imprisoned was opened.
  • George von Krone, the king of Wolfkrone, went insane.
  • Monks of the Ling Sheng-Su temple went mad and started killing each other. Kilik was the only survivor, thanks to the sacrifice of his adopted sister Xianglian.
  • Talim fell into a coma for a number of days.
  • Tira's former master, the leader of the Bird of Passage, lost his mind.
 
They MUST announce new female character!!!! And I hope they will soon as Okubo answers as it is possibility and we should wait. Tekken 7 had 5 ( not counting Eliza ) new female characters, and for me female warriors were always more interesting than male ones in SC series ( you know I love you Sieg and Zas :) )
 
I hope SCVI has a mimic free roster like SCIV,
Agreed especially considering the size of the character pool. I'm fine with it just being Inferno though considering it's the main antagonist. If Edge Master or Olcadan returned I would expect them to have a pool of weapon styles that are completely independent from the main cast (like say SC3 CaS weapon styles). Having more than one mimic is complete bloat especially for a game that has a two decade legacy.
 
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