Klimat
[12] Conqueror
Twin axes.
Soulcalibur VI DLC Discussion Thread
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Metroidwave
[04] Fighter
At the very least, I want to be able to use the existing ax and shield style on a custom character. Even if it's not attached to Aeon, it would be nice if they patched in the ability to use it.
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Macuahuitl
Angrel-San
[10] Knight
No shield but what about Tomahawk axes?
I'm telling you peeps, Bangoo would be a hit, LOL!
Klimat
[12] Conqueror
Current Lizardman style is completely broken, the only reason it exists is to be a placeholder for the story. No way they will add it anywhere else.
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You know, thinking more about Lizardman as a potential SC6 S3 character:
Primary Weapon
My vote for the Macuahuitl:
• the savage/brutal nature of this type of weapon matches the savage/brutal nature of a cold blooded reptilian monster.
• Neat to see some mesoamerican weapon sets / move lists
• Could be paired with a shield, imo a scaly lizard-person needs no defense and actually looks more badass without one.
Lizardman is like the 2nd largest character, and a lumbering giant should have a fitting weapon.
Secondary weapons/mechanics
His Tail should be an official weapon (like Yoshimitsu's sashimono war flag / battle standard).
Lizardman could return with a BIG empahasis on his tail attacks. This would imply his BT stance is actually pretty dangerous (like Zas or Voldo)..
Lizardman already had quite a few lunges / forward leaps, so getting into a BT stance could be developed intentionally into a valid strategy.
Cosmetically there are options such as
• Normal Tail
• Spiked Tail (thagomizer)
• Tail club (ankylosaur)
• forked tail
• Tail with metal ornaments
Plus you can recolor weapons now, so you can make it match the body's scales
Lastly, there's potential for Lizardman to have some sort of healing / self regeneration mechanic. I don't think it necessarily has to be recovered HP like Yoshimitsu's drain grab. Seeing a scaly cold blooded brute regenerate would-be fatal wounds would only serve to increase his bad-assery.
Personally i'd drop the feathered wings 100% (it makes him seem too angelic, and frankly is strictly cosmetic).
Fire breathing I'd drop, but then again I'd be ok with the single UB fire breath.
A venom/poison mechanic seems a little bit too much in the Soul Calibur series but project soul keeps surprising us. It might compliment Lizardman having hp recovery turning him into a decent turtler (bad pun since they're both reptilian)
Primary Weapon
My vote for the Macuahuitl:
• the savage/brutal nature of this type of weapon matches the savage/brutal nature of a cold blooded reptilian monster.
• Neat to see some mesoamerican weapon sets / move lists
• Could be paired with a shield, imo a scaly lizard-person needs no defense and actually looks more badass without one.
Lizardman is like the 2nd largest character, and a lumbering giant should have a fitting weapon.
Secondary weapons/mechanics
His Tail should be an official weapon (like Yoshimitsu's sashimono war flag / battle standard).
Lizardman could return with a BIG empahasis on his tail attacks. This would imply his BT stance is actually pretty dangerous (like Zas or Voldo)..
Lizardman already had quite a few lunges / forward leaps, so getting into a BT stance could be developed intentionally into a valid strategy.
Cosmetically there are options such as
• Normal Tail
• Spiked Tail (thagomizer)
• Tail club (ankylosaur)
• forked tail
• Tail with metal ornaments
Plus you can recolor weapons now, so you can make it match the body's scales
Lastly, there's potential for Lizardman to have some sort of healing / self regeneration mechanic. I don't think it necessarily has to be recovered HP like Yoshimitsu's drain grab. Seeing a scaly cold blooded brute regenerate would-be fatal wounds would only serve to increase his bad-assery.
Personally i'd drop the feathered wings 100% (it makes him seem too angelic, and frankly is strictly cosmetic).
Fire breathing I'd drop, but then again I'd be ok with the single UB fire breath.
A venom/poison mechanic seems a little bit too much in the Soul Calibur series but project soul keeps surprising us. It might compliment Lizardman having hp recovery turning him into a decent turtler (bad pun since they're both reptilian)
Angrel-San
[10] Knight
If there's a Season 3, these are my choices.
1) Rock/Bangoo - Broken Destiny type Rock or brand new character Bangoo with a slugger/grappler style like Rock.
2) Li Long - SC3 AE Li Long was awesome and seeing him again here would be a blast. Double nunchaku action FTW!!!
3) Algol
4) Brand new character. Would love a Sai user as it is overdue.
5) Edgemaster - The last character and the original all weapons mimic.
1) Rock/Bangoo - Broken Destiny type Rock or brand new character Bangoo with a slugger/grappler style like Rock.
2) Li Long - SC3 AE Li Long was awesome and seeing him again here would be a blast. Double nunchaku action FTW!!!
3) Algol
4) Brand new character. Would love a Sai user as it is overdue.
5) Edgemaster - The last character and the original all weapons mimic.
Metroidwave
[04] Fighter
Counter argument, Inferno. They might just keep any characters made with it from going online.
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
Hear me out... Burnt angel wings!! Like a whole fallen from grace thing, from human to cannibal lizard... Thingie
Crash X
[14] Master
Read the updated text...
KittenpasteCo
[12] Conqueror
What time should we expect the DLC drop? o.o Evening, on the west cooast, again?
Macaulyn
[13] Hero
I wonder if the update in the information about Hwang being the last of Season Pass 2 instead of the game itself was meant to intentionally hype people up. I mean, there is no way in hell they would change that without knowing people would go crazy about it. Regardless, I wonder which guest character would we have in a Season Pass 3, we had Geralt in the base game, 2B in the Season Pass 1 and Haohmaru in Season Pass 2, so another pass would likely bring another guest. Assuming Season Pass 3 is the last one, maybe they will go out with a bang and bring a Dark Souls character.
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I'm pretty inspired by how much more incredible Project Soul made Hwang, who I thought was going to be a very vanilla character.
Some thoughts on what gameplay mechanical direction Rock can take should he end up as a S3 character
Grapples:
• Rocks should bring back a modified "limb-targeting" feature. More specifically, he can focus his attacks on a certain region of the opponent, and the payoff after repeatedly damaging a specific area involves stuff like unlocking special combo enders for example. SCIV has done this somewhat with the H/M/L armor being broken if struck repeatedly at that height (leading to a boring minor +% damage) and maybe this can be dialed-up like this:
- The opponent could have 3 height levels, and Rock's subsystem mechanic would involve him targetting one of those body sections that would give him special LH or CH animations once the opponent has suffered enough damage at that level.
Variant of grab enders could be (ie off a backgrab where Rock knocks them down)
Animal Totemism
• Will Rock do the predictable thing and have self-buffs where he draws upon the strength of wild animals ?
I haven’t seen any temporary buffs where the character actually gain 8wr and dash speed perks (I don’t think soul charged anime Groh counts since teleports and like qualify more as special movements) but how about this:
A callback to whatever beast hide pelt skin he wore in previous versions? Throwing some ideas out there:
Thoughts ?
Some thoughts on what gameplay mechanical direction Rock can take should he end up as a S3 character
Grapples:
• Rocks should bring back a modified "limb-targeting" feature. More specifically, he can focus his attacks on a certain region of the opponent, and the payoff after repeatedly damaging a specific area involves stuff like unlocking special combo enders for example. SCIV has done this somewhat with the H/M/L armor being broken if struck repeatedly at that height (leading to a boring minor +% damage) and maybe this can be dialed-up like this:
- The opponent could have 3 height levels, and Rock's subsystem mechanic would involve him targetting one of those body sections that would give him special LH or CH animations once the opponent has suffered enough damage at that level.
- The "high" level would be head/neck
- The "medium" level would be torso / arms
- The " low" level would be legs
Variant of grab enders could be (ie off a backgrab where Rock knocks them down)
- Choking the opponent with the shaft of his warhammer across their windpipe, as Rock sits on their back and starts cranking (high)
- Trapping an opponent's outstretched arm and smashing his warhammer across their elbow/shoulder like a blacksmith working the forge (medium)
- Entwining the opponent's leg around the shaft of his warhammer and forcefully snapping their knee outwards (low)
- He might end up looking too much of a sadistic crippler, but thats something I’m cool with.
- I would prefer it if he didn't do pure wrestling grapples and his grabs should incorporate his weapon as much as possible (like a forceful lever or a smashing surface). Even something as cliched as piledriving his opponent headfirst into his warhammer on the ground is good enough.
- Outside of grapples, he could have strings that lead to 50/50 mixup ender (doesn't have to be mid/low mixup) as long as it forces the opponent to take a defensive action or else Rock maintains advantage (ie linear steppable high that is + on block)
- Astaroth already has a ton of grab variants, and the only thing left I can think is maybe one of those advancing crouching "ultimate tackle" style shoot grabs in Tekken. That or an obnoxious grounded Rock grab (like crybaby, except he trips you) which I don't think anyone really wants to deal with.
- Another grab variant I can think of is stage specific grabs (not like those in the DoA / MKvsDC gimmicky ones) ,but that he can have grab animations that involve walls or low walls. Maybe unique grabs off a wallspat or even something like a grab that dumps the victim gut-first across a low wall. Unfortunately I think this would require a lot of technical changes and would probably be buggy as hell.
- I would prefer it if he didn't do pure wrestling grapples and his grabs should incorporate his weapon as much as possible (like a forceful lever or a smashing surface). Even something as cliched as piledriving his opponent headfirst into his warhammer on the ground is good enough.
- Outside of grapples, he could have strings that lead to 50/50 mixup ender (doesn't have to be mid/low mixup) as long as it forces the opponent to take a defensive action or else Rock maintains advantage (ie linear steppable high that is + on block)
- Astaroth already has a ton of grab variants, and the only thing left I can think is maybe one of those advancing crouching "ultimate tackle" style shoot grabs in Tekken. That or an obnoxious grounded Rock grab (like crybaby, except he trips you) which I don't think anyone really wants to deal with.
- Another grab variant I can think of is stage specific grabs (not like those in the DoA / MKvsDC gimmicky ones) ,but that he can have grab animations that involve walls or low walls. Maybe unique grabs off a wallspat or even something like a grab that dumps the victim gut-first across a low wall. Unfortunately I think this would require a lot of technical changes and would probably be buggy as hell.
Animal Totemism
• Will Rock do the predictable thing and have self-buffs where he draws upon the strength of wild animals ?
I haven’t seen any temporary buffs where the character actually gain 8wr and dash speed perks (I don’t think soul charged anime Groh counts since teleports and like qualify more as special movements) but how about this:
A callback to whatever beast hide pelt skin he wore in previous versions? Throwing some ideas out there:
- Bear: Plain ol’ damage buff since every choice should have at least one simple straightforward option to help newcomers
- Rhino: Increased guard gauge damage / armor on some moves / attacks now wallsplat+ringout easier
- Bison: Increased dash distance / 8WR speed / Increased grab range / grabs smaller window to break
Thoughts ?
sytus
[14] Master
I might be in the minority of wanting Rock with a straight forward moveset in the same vain as Astaroth. A mid grab attack would be too strong though as you wouldn't be able to punish it like you can with high and low grabs, the only one that I can think of that throws from a mid is Siegfried's sword stab throw, so I imagine if Rock was to have a mid throw it would be something similar to that.
I do want some throw options from his rhino charge toss as that's probably his most recognizable signature move of his, plus aerial grabs are sick as fuck to do. He would also benefit having a tech crouching 1A snake edge that not only knocks down on normal hit, but can spin a grounded opponent to launch them from their head or legs. I would also make it safe, probably minus 10 on block giving you a reason to abuse it. His jumping ground pound should ground stun his opponents, and with it's tech jumping properties and ground hitting mid would make for nice mixup with that 1A snake edge I mentioned.
As for general throws, I do think all of Rock's as well as Astaroth's throws should come out faster than the rest of the cast, make them i14 or i16 and give them the reach of Astaroth's command grabs. I'd rather have something like this rather than another gimmick. Hwang is great and has by far had the biggest departure for a moveset there has ever been for a Soul Calibur character, but his yin yang gimmick make you feel like you're playing an RPG, plus the way it works it punishes you for playing optimal.
I do want some throw options from his rhino charge toss as that's probably his most recognizable signature move of his, plus aerial grabs are sick as fuck to do. He would also benefit having a tech crouching 1A snake edge that not only knocks down on normal hit, but can spin a grounded opponent to launch them from their head or legs. I would also make it safe, probably minus 10 on block giving you a reason to abuse it. His jumping ground pound should ground stun his opponents, and with it's tech jumping properties and ground hitting mid would make for nice mixup with that 1A snake edge I mentioned.
As for general throws, I do think all of Rock's as well as Astaroth's throws should come out faster than the rest of the cast, make them i14 or i16 and give them the reach of Astaroth's command grabs. I'd rather have something like this rather than another gimmick. Hwang is great and has by far had the biggest departure for a moveset there has ever been for a Soul Calibur character, but his yin yang gimmick make you feel like you're playing an RPG, plus the way it works it punishes you for playing optimal.
I just realised that both Amy and Cassandra, whose weapon types are already present in the base game have some sort of "gimmick" moves like Amy's "Rose Perceptions" and Cassandra's "Divine Force". So I think they might give Rock the same treatment if his weapon and moves are similar to Astaroth.
Klimat
[12] Conqueror
Still it's hard for me to imagine a magical Rock when his whole archetype if brute force muscle galore.
To be fair, both Cassandra and Hwang weren't known for their magical prowess before SC6.
Plus, "gimmick" moves doesn't have to be magical in nature.
Angrel-San
[10] Knight
Meh, Astaroth is a brute without gimmicks.
Rock is the mold that Astaroth is cloned from, so no gimmicks, just superior power and savagery from Rock.
Rock is the mold that Astaroth is cloned from, so no gimmicks, just superior power and savagery from Rock.