CrazyYoshimitsu
[10] Knight
Did anyone see my video? What do you guys think about my Talim?
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Talim JP
Talim & SoulCalibur supporter
OOFMATIC- Watched the new vids.
What can I say?- Fast, always hit the combos right (chain throw, JFs, etc/no misinputs) & usin the right move at the right time (good yomi/mix ups)= respect & one of the best Talims I've seen.
What's different than my Talim? (besides the above, haha)-
I've always tried/want to use the whole move set (not sayin this is good or bad).
I still think there's a right place for every move but maybe tryin to create/make the situation is what's defeatin me (I've been told I'm doin unsafe stuff but I thought that's normal for Talim, haha).
[thinkin]
What can I say?- Fast, always hit the combos right (chain throw, JFs, etc/no misinputs) & usin the right move at the right time (good yomi/mix ups)= respect & one of the best Talims I've seen.
What's different than my Talim? (besides the above, haha)-
I've always tried/want to use the whole move set (not sayin this is good or bad).
I still think there's a right place for every move but maybe tryin to create/make the situation is what's defeatin me (I've been told I'm doin unsafe stuff but I thought that's normal for Talim, haha).
[thinkin]
shauno
[09] Warrior
^^^ That's often the case with fighters in high level play: strategically abusing what works. I fall into the same trap as you at times by trying too much variety. Even in SC2 I didn't abuse her awesome 33A nearly enough to help flesh out the rest of her game.
After seeing Oof's latest vids, I have to say I've really underestimated AS A+K. It really does work a little differently than AS B:K because on block you are spced from retaliation much better (i.e. no easy throw attempts from opponents). It is also safe from being interrupted by most attacks (like BBs) after FC3BB~6 is blocked. A straightforward strat that looks to be pretty effective once you mix it wth ~4 WL options.
It's interesting that he uses CH FC 33BB~6 AS B+K as his juggle of choice on instead of ~6 B:K. That's likely for better oki options since you remain close... I wonder if the damage is significantly different? Anyway, congrats Oof on the tourney win; good luck in the Nationals.
I commented twice a few pages back.
After seeing Oof's latest vids, I have to say I've really underestimated AS A+K. It really does work a little differently than AS B:K because on block you are spced from retaliation much better (i.e. no easy throw attempts from opponents). It is also safe from being interrupted by most attacks (like BBs) after FC3BB~6 is blocked. A straightforward strat that looks to be pretty effective once you mix it wth ~4 WL options.
It's interesting that he uses CH FC 33BB~6 AS B+K as his juggle of choice on instead of ~6 B:K. That's likely for better oki options since you remain close... I wonder if the damage is significantly different? Anyway, congrats Oof on the tourney win; good luck in the Nationals.
I commented twice a few pages back.
Ooofmatic
World Warrior
Talim_JP, if the people you play with play anything like the Koreans then I can understand why they would tell you to play more safer. I've noticed that the Koreans like to play very safe. If you watch the vid I posted on the previous page of the Korean Talim player you'll see the safest Talim player you'll ever see. Not even a single windsault or even windleap was used. Although I'm sure playing like that is effective I personally prefer to take my chances and make use of her high risk high reward situations. Compared to the Korean Talim the way I use Talim is VERY unsafe and risky, but as you can see both styles can be effective.
shauno, it's an 8 dmg point difference. CH FC 3BB~6, AS B:K does 54 dmg while doing AS B+K does 46 dmg. And yeah I feel it gives her better oki since the opponent ends up being on the ground at her feet, rather than standing and out of range of most moves. AS B+K also help you decide on ring positioning, since you can do AS B+K~6 and end up on the other side with BT mix-ups.
i <3 FC 3BB.
shauno, it's an 8 dmg point difference. CH FC 3BB~6, AS B:K does 54 dmg while doing AS B+K does 46 dmg. And yeah I feel it gives her better oki since the opponent ends up being on the ground at her feet, rather than standing and out of range of most moves. AS B+K also help you decide on ring positioning, since you can do AS B+K~6 and end up on the other side with BT mix-ups.
i <3 FC 3BB.
Talim JP
Talim & SoulCalibur supporter
shauno- Thanks!
Ya- about 5 sets of games w/me and you'll see every Talim move...
I love(d) 33A but not her BB.
I still have to do things my way but ya- use em wisely and use the moves that work more.
From my SoftBank SCIV guide- AS B+K is 30 damage, AS A+K is 20 damage and AS B:K is 20 damage (AS B is actually more- 22!).
OOFMATIC- Take her to the top.
And thanks for not changin (havin faith in her) to Lizzy when you lost.
Ya- about 5 sets of games w/me and you'll see every Talim move...
I love(d) 33A but not her BB.
I still have to do things my way but ya- use em wisely and use the moves that work more.
From my SoftBank SCIV guide- AS B+K is 30 damage, AS A+K is 20 damage and AS B:K is 20 damage (AS B is actually more- 22!).
OOFMATIC- Take her to the top.
And thanks for not changin (havin faith in her) to Lizzy when you lost.
shauno
[09] Warrior
I'll submit a couple of vids of my Talim. Good or bad, feel free to comment:
ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
Shauno:
Impressive stuff there man, specifically the matches with Taki. The Astaroth ones were the most fun to watch for me, (but that's just because I like the matchup itself.)
Ivy is always a pain to deal with for Talim, though. And especially if they can throw out the SS and CS throws at will. (I played a decent Ivy player a week ago myself and had problems with that.) But using 4BB to counter after blocking her Venom Lash setups works wonders. I should probably use WL A, FC 3BB, AS A+B more as it apparently does more damage than the AS A+K followup and isn't hindered by larger characters. And you also seem to be able to nail the Ice Wind Combo from back turned a LOT more consistently than I do. (Not sure why, but it's easier for me to do it facing forward then BT...) But yeah, nicely handled.
Impressive stuff there man, specifically the matches with Taki. The Astaroth ones were the most fun to watch for me, (but that's just because I like the matchup itself.)
Ivy is always a pain to deal with for Talim, though. And especially if they can throw out the SS and CS throws at will. (I played a decent Ivy player a week ago myself and had problems with that.) But using 4BB to counter after blocking her Venom Lash setups works wonders. I should probably use WL A, FC 3BB, AS A+B more as it apparently does more damage than the AS A+K followup and isn't hindered by larger characters. And you also seem to be able to nail the Ice Wind Combo from back turned a LOT more consistently than I do. (Not sure why, but it's easier for me to do it facing forward then BT...) But yeah, nicely handled.
Talim JP
Talim & SoulCalibur supporter
Shauno- Lookin good! I think your Talim's comin along OK!
From the Asta vid:
I think I usually hit 66A+B after the CH 4B, B but the 2A+B does give you WS options.
When you had Asta near the edge and hit him with the WC B:B you didn't do the free AAB (cause you were afraid you'd self ring out). You can do just the AA or maybe you coulda tried 6AA (which also pushes the opponent forward, might have gotten a ring out on him).
Both vids:
I think another thing that we both do is that we sometimes throw out a move expectin that the opponent will run into it (but they don't). Well that's the prob- when they don't run into our move (it wiffs or is out of range) they can punish us.
I can't do the Ice Wind Combo at all (so good work there)... Ya I'll keep tryin/practicin.
I think OOFMATIC's got a large dose of yomi. I don't know think that's anything we can learn...
Side-note: Since I've started playin SC I have never set my console to English voices. English subtitles are on though.
From the Asta vid:
I think I usually hit 66A+B after the CH 4B, B but the 2A+B does give you WS options.
When you had Asta near the edge and hit him with the WC B:B you didn't do the free AAB (cause you were afraid you'd self ring out). You can do just the AA or maybe you coulda tried 6AA (which also pushes the opponent forward, might have gotten a ring out on him).
Both vids:
I think another thing that we both do is that we sometimes throw out a move expectin that the opponent will run into it (but they don't). Well that's the prob- when they don't run into our move (it wiffs or is out of range) they can punish us.
I can't do the Ice Wind Combo at all (so good work there)... Ya I'll keep tryin/practicin.
I think OOFMATIC's got a large dose of yomi. I don't know think that's anything we can learn...
Side-note: Since I've started playin SC I have never set my console to English voices. English subtitles are on though.
Ooofmatic
World Warrior
Thanks for your vids shauno. First thing I noticed is you don't use FC 3BB nearly as much as I do. :p
I also noticed that you do CH 4B,B, 2A+B, instead of 66A+B, so that you can go into AS mixups. Sometimes instead of doing 2A+B to get the AS mixups, I like to do 22B6~4, AS mixups. 22B will give you a bit more damage than 2A+B but it's a bit more tricky to get into the AS mixups because you have to do 6~4 to shorten the distance of her AS, otherwise your AS move might whiff or you'll end up in BT.
Very nice use of WL and WC evades against Taki. I like how you sometimes do WC~4, WL K. That seemed to work well for you because your opponents ducked into the WL K. I'm gonna try using that.
I also noticed that you do CH 4B,B, 2A+B, instead of 66A+B, so that you can go into AS mixups. Sometimes instead of doing 2A+B to get the AS mixups, I like to do 22B6~4, AS mixups. 22B will give you a bit more damage than 2A+B but it's a bit more tricky to get into the AS mixups because you have to do 6~4 to shorten the distance of her AS, otherwise your AS move might whiff or you'll end up in BT.
Very nice use of WL and WC evades against Taki. I like how you sometimes do WC~4, WL K. That seemed to work well for you because your opponents ducked into the WL K. I'm gonna try using that.
shauno
[09] Warrior
Thanks fellas.
- Against Ivy my main problem (besides over-aggression and a few input mistakes at times) was ring control. I put myself into positions to be rung out when I had a lead and need to work on that. Ivy can't do a hard punish on Talim's unsafe AS moves so they are worth taking extra chances at times.
- After WC B:B near the edge, a simple K will send get the RO. I didn't notice that I didn't try that. For the Ice Wind combo, you have to do the first two commands fast, but you then need a slight pause before you do the third command.
- Yeah, I've already started adding FC 3BB to my practices. One thing I am trying to get used to is doing AS A+K or AS juggles depending on if the second hit connects or not (when the first FC 3B is blocked).
Against Taki, my main three in-close tools for controlling her flow are 1A+B, WC stuff (WC K is fast and techs highs for instance) and WL mixups. I also mix in a few other key attacks depending on what she does, but I try to never sit still and let her dictate the flow too much.
One thing not shown much in the vid is that 1A+B is really awesome against her. It goes under highs of course, but also dodges a few of her mids, like WS K and some mid stabs. In fact, 1A+B dodges mids against many characters (like BBs from Yoshi and Mitsu), so I'm thinking it has a built in sidestep.
As for WC-->WL strats, make sure you input it like this: WC 4~6 <attack or AS>. That shortens the Wind Leap so your WL K comes out faster, making it tougher for a foe to react in anticipation of WL A or as a whiff punisher. I like WL A_K attacks because they are fairly safe on block compared to the AS stuff while still delivering good damage.
- Against Ivy my main problem (besides over-aggression and a few input mistakes at times) was ring control. I put myself into positions to be rung out when I had a lead and need to work on that. Ivy can't do a hard punish on Talim's unsafe AS moves so they are worth taking extra chances at times.
- After WC B:B near the edge, a simple K will send get the RO. I didn't notice that I didn't try that. For the Ice Wind combo, you have to do the first two commands fast, but you then need a slight pause before you do the third command.
- Yeah, I've already started adding FC 3BB to my practices. One thing I am trying to get used to is doing AS A+K or AS juggles depending on if the second hit connects or not (when the first FC 3B is blocked).
Against Taki, my main three in-close tools for controlling her flow are 1A+B, WC stuff (WC K is fast and techs highs for instance) and WL mixups. I also mix in a few other key attacks depending on what she does, but I try to never sit still and let her dictate the flow too much.
One thing not shown much in the vid is that 1A+B is really awesome against her. It goes under highs of course, but also dodges a few of her mids, like WS K and some mid stabs. In fact, 1A+B dodges mids against many characters (like BBs from Yoshi and Mitsu), so I'm thinking it has a built in sidestep.
As for WC-->WL strats, make sure you input it like this: WC 4~6 <attack or AS>. That shortens the Wind Leap so your WL K comes out faster, making it tougher for a foe to react in anticipation of WL A or as a whiff punisher. I like WL A_K attacks because they are fairly safe on block compared to the AS stuff while still delivering good damage.
CrazyYoshimitsu
[10] Knight
Damn are job with talim is basically do something retarded, and you get something awesome. WTF are you talking about CY? Well, I was watching Shauno's videos I saw this crazy mix up. It was AS A~4_6 AA, WL K, 66B, 2A+B, AS K. Now that is just stupid good guys. I might try doing that with 44B and 1A+B.
shauno
[09] Warrior
Actually, the correct notation for the custom string is:
AS A (hits)~2_8, WC AA~2_8, WC 4~6, WL K (hits), 66B, 2A+B~6, AS K (ground hit)
One thing I suggest to you guys who don't already do it: try to use ~AS K after any oki attack that allows you to jump forward when you are against people who roll on the ground. It will at least do some extra damage for you and if you air control the distance you should rarely miss should they stay down.
AS A (hits)~2_8, WC AA~2_8, WC 4~6, WL K (hits), 66B, 2A+B~6, AS K (ground hit)
One thing I suggest to you guys who don't already do it: try to use ~AS K after any oki attack that allows you to jump forward when you are against people who roll on the ground. It will at least do some extra damage for you and if you air control the distance you should rarely miss should they stay down.
CrazyYoshimitsu
[10] Knight
Thanks man
ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
Ok well I have a few vids up from one of our latest sessions.
- This was dubbed the Talim blooper reel. I played okay here, but a few too many input errors (for my liking) and a vengeful game camera made for some humorous results.
- Voldo is just hard to fight, not much else to say.
- Sophitia rushdown destruction.... I was just overwhelmed in this set against my first offline Sophie player.
- A slightly more defensive approach to my game gave me much better results here.
- Unfortunately for the matches with Khent there's no audio, but still, the matches are good and fun to watch. These few sets are among the best we've had against each other.
- More classic Talim/Mi-na action
- Two of the closest matches Khent and I have ever had. Especially the second one with it's epic final round.
Overall, there were more input errors than last time, but I adjusted better to the different opponents. Well, enjoy.
- This was dubbed the Talim blooper reel. I played okay here, but a few too many input errors (for my liking) and a vengeful game camera made for some humorous results.
- Voldo is just hard to fight, not much else to say.
- Sophitia rushdown destruction.... I was just overwhelmed in this set against my first offline Sophie player.
- A slightly more defensive approach to my game gave me much better results here.
- Unfortunately for the matches with Khent there's no audio, but still, the matches are good and fun to watch. These few sets are among the best we've had against each other.
- More classic Talim/Mi-na action
- Two of the closest matches Khent and I have ever had. Especially the second one with it's epic final round.
Overall, there were more input errors than last time, but I adjusted better to the different opponents. Well, enjoy.
Talim JP
Talim & SoulCalibur supporter
Thanks for all the vids! Finally got time to see them all (nice TV BTW).
I think you hardly had any input errors (I have loads more).
Just work on gettin that JF- WC (
_ ) : for your free .
Two moves that you might wanna try- (good for long distances and a push back on block)- might help against Mina.
For close up action, hops forward and it's pretty fast-.
Your, shauno's and OOFMATIC's vids give me somethin to shoot for, my Talim's not even close to bein as good as you guy's are. Good goin, keep it up and represent!
I think you hardly had any input errors (I have loads more).
Just work on gettin that JF- WC (
_ ) : for your free .Two moves that you might wanna try-
(good for long distances and a push back on block)- might help against Mina.For close up action, hops forward and it's pretty fast-
.Your, shauno's and OOFMATIC's vids give me somethin to shoot for, my Talim's not even close to bein as good as you guy's are. Good goin, keep it up and represent!
Ryuro
[08] Mercenary
Here is a couple of videos with me (Talim) playing Bmoretoga (Mitsurugi) in an Online Tournament by F. Twilight.
Impending_Doom66
[09] Warrior
Ryuro I don't play Talim much anymore, nut until it gets blocked I always 2A+B after throws plus it gives you options when they do get up.
Also it may have just been me, but it looked like if you would do AA, and I'm guessing miss the B input, you would just do AA again as fast as possible without ever guarding.
Also it may have just been me, but it looked like if you would do AA, and I'm guessing miss the B input, you would just do AA again as fast as possible without ever guarding.
Ryuro
[08] Mercenary
Hmm..didn't really notice..you might be right. It's been awhile since i played with Talim. These videos was when i used to main her a long time ago. I'll post up some more recent videos tomorrow.
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talimmaster
[08] Mercenary
i just really can't see myself playing with any other character other then talim. keep up the good work guys.
i still have to keep practicing 3 moves that i just can't perfect.
the ice wind combo, the monsoon season 2 part throw, and the AS K JF into AS' whiff move, these are the ones that i really have to master, i need to learn to think faster then i do on my feet with talim.
i still have to keep practicing 3 moves that i just can't perfect.
the ice wind combo, the monsoon season 2 part throw, and the AS K JF into AS' whiff move, these are the ones that i really have to master, i need to learn to think faster then i do on my feet with talim.
ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
talimmaster:
Ice wind combo can be tough to do sometimes. I, myself, get it working a lot, but even I slip up on occasion. Not trying to brag, just making the point that the move isn't always easy to pull out at will.
Seems to me the easiest way to do it is to mash the first 236A just as the A+B hits the opponent and then do the next 236B after a half second delay. Harder to explain than it is to do, but usually if you can get the first two parts, the third gets easier. For me it's always the second part (236A) that gets me.
Monsoon Season is actually MUCH easier. Simply do 236B+G and then do 214B (or 214A) right after. you technically have until Talim lands on the ground to do the second part, but it's so much easier to do it all in one motion without pausing.
So it's basically this:+...or...+
Also, if it helps you, you can mash the 214B/A immediately following 236B+G instead of doing it one time. Doing it this way should make it easier to land. Hope this helps!
Ice wind combo can be tough to do sometimes. I, myself, get it working a lot, but even I slip up on occasion. Not trying to brag, just making the point that the move isn't always easy to pull out at will.
Seems to me the easiest way to do it is to mash the first 236A just as the A+B hits the opponent and then do the next 236B after a half second delay. Harder to explain than it is to do, but usually if you can get the first two parts, the third gets easier. For me it's always the second part (236A) that gets me.
Monsoon Season is actually MUCH easier. Simply do 236B+G and then do 214B (or 214A) right after. you technically have until Talim lands on the ground to do the second part, but it's so much easier to do it all in one motion without pausing.
So it's basically this:
+...or...+Also, if it helps you, you can mash the 214B/A immediately following 236B+G instead of doing it one time. Doing it this way should make it easier to land. Hope this helps!