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Above Top:

Devil Jin, APat, Natsu

Top:

Pyrrha, Pat, Opyrrha, Cervy, Algol, Maxi

Mid:
Leixia, Tira, Mitsu, Ivy, Hilde, Xiba, Asta

Low:
Zwei, Raph, Viola, Ezio

Crap:

Dampierre, Siggy
 
Eji1700 said:
Thats kinda wrong. That might be why asta is high tier(and possibly gong to fall as people get better, which is standard for grapplers), but natsu has high damage output, and can open you up like it's nothing. You don't have to make mistakes for natsu to take half your health, and she's got so many options that lead to that sort of damage.
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Don't get me wrong... Natsu is def. way strong... but she only has a few options that lead to half health... and most of them you can react too. If you get hit by 4A+B or 2A+B you kinda deserve it... and other then that she has to get a counterhit off of a handful of unsafe moves to deal that kind of damage. If she is broke(which i'm not 100% convinced of yet), then it's because she has a lot of options to score good situations for counterhits and tech traps... and she just has a lot of really good moves that can only really be punished by stab(again, not convinced that you need pyrrah or patsuka to punish her xD)...
 
Fuzzieviking said:
Above Top:

Devil Jin, APat, Natsu

Top:

Pyrrha, Pat, Opyrrha, Cervy, Algol, Maxi

Mid:
Leixia, Tira, Mitsu, Ivy, Hilde, Xiba, Asta

Low:
Zwei, Raph, Viola, Ezio

Crap:

Dampierre, Siggy
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I would disagree with Siegfried being so low, he seems more middle range with the best I can work him to. Ezio is about solid as solid can get, people online just abuse to crossbow too much to bother exploring his potential. Furthermore, the fact that two achievements involve playing him online (dumbest thing I've seen, it's forcing us to play a character we don't necessarily like), we're going to see A LOT of noob Ezio's out there.
 
Zoidberg747 said:
Just because Natsu SEEMS overpowered now, does not mean she is. There is still so much tech and moves that have not even been discovered yet. If they nerf Natsu now, people could figure her out and she could really be mid tier at best, but now that she is nerfed she is shit tier. Same thing with giving damage buffs, ZWEI and Viola could have some new tech that someone finds that makes them hard to fight against, then with the buff they will almost be broken.

IMO there should be NO buffs/nerfs until the game is at least 2 months old, maybe more.
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Point taken. same for ZWEI. Viola I'm still iffy on. Even the best Viola I've seen only barely won. It's the fact they have to put SO MUCH effort into winning with her. To win you literally are forced to keep your opponent on the defensive, because if they hit you once, your chain is broken and it might as well be over.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
Above Top:

Devil Jin, APat, Natsu

Top:

Pyrrha, Pat, Opyrrha, Cervy, Algol, Maxi

Mid:
Leixia, Tira, Mitsu, Ivy, Hilde, Xiba, Asta

Low:
Zwei, Raph, Viola, Ezio

Crap:

Dampierre, Siggy
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Triple SSS Tier:
Natsu, Pyrrha, Omega, Alpha

AAB Tier:
Leixia, Hilde, Patroklos, Aeon, Mitsurugi

AA Tier:
Dampierre, Cervantes, Nightmare

BBCD Tier:
Raphael, Ezio, Tira

FFF Tier:
Zwei, Maxi, Ivy, Xiba

S tier:
Devil Jin, Algol, Siegfried.


I like making up names for various tiers rather rely on a formal standard for tiers like; A, B, C and D. =D
 
I like how Aeon is in a tier of his own... FORGOTTEN TIER.

People need to stop putting Sig at the bottom tier. So long as people do that, no one will take their tier list seriously.
 
I propose Yoshimitsu and Voldo get a tier of their own: WTF tier.

My reasoning is that you'll be too busy going WTF at all the bizarre shit they're pulling to do much of anything but gawk. (Okay, probably just me, but...)
 
Solo said:
When you fight with Sieg and whiff your punishes, tech traps, & swords go through people you start to get upset...
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When people ask you what's special about Aeon compared to other characters and you have no answer, you get get so upset that others get happy.

Really, bad hit boxes is a reason to not be top tier, not for bottom tier placement. Usually, characters at bottom tier suffer from things more fundamental than that, such as a large hurt box from being too fat, poor damage without any properties to justify it, or a complete lack of a mix-up.
 
D_Matt_Ma said:
When people ask you what's special about Aeon compared to other characters and you have no answer, you get get so upset that others get happy.
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Umm... B, B, B. Lol I can't think of anything either, at least he doesn't whiff randomly. :/
 
Solo said:
When you fight with Sieg and whiff your punishes, tech traps, & swords go through people you start to get upset...
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Ok, you got me there, I know what you mean, I've seen that happen at least twice on occasion. 66 (or 44, I'm new to this number thing) A will go right through people if you're too close. I'll agree that I find him just as disappointing too, considering his combo set ups are all but gone, but a few tweaks and I'll like his new moveset as much as the old one.
 
EastredDragon said:
Ok, you got me there, I know what you mean, I've seen that happen at least twice on occasion. 66 (or 44, I'm new to this number thing) A will go right through people if you're too close. I'll agree that I find him just as disappointing too, considering his combo set ups are all but gone, but a few tweaks and I'll like his new moveset as much as the old one.
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Yeah, a damage boost (slighty less overall damage than NM) so he can be as hard hitting as he looks, and hitbox changes to his moveset would take care of a lot of problems.
 
Solo said:
Yeah, a damage boost (slighty less overall damage than NM) so he can be as hard hitting as he looks, and hitbox changes to his moveset would take care of a lot of problems.
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I'd say even harder than Nightmare, considering he got a speed decrease and some handicaps from IV to V. At this point, he's the second slowest character in the game overall (behind Astaroth), he needs to hit like a truck covered in tank plating.
 
D_Matt_Ma said:
People need to stop putting Sig at the bottom tier. So long as people do that, no one will take their tier list seriously.
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Tier list with Siegfried better than "low" are, on my point of view, less credible.

What Aeon got better than Siegfried ?
For sure :
-Damage
-speed
-safeness
-GB game
-Throws
-pushback move
-crusher
-movement
 
D_Matt_Ma said:
I like how Aeon is in a tier of his own... FORGOTTEN TIER.

People need to stop putting Sig at the bottom tier. So long as people do that, no one will take their tier list seriously.
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In the same fashion I cant take seriously a list with Siegfried listed better than low tier. He doesnt look that bad because he's not Rock Tier, but compared to others characters, and that's the main point, he's simply not strong, dare I say weak.
 
Pantocrator said:
Tier list with Siegfried better than "low" are, on my point of view, less credible.
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What Aeon got better than Siegfried ?
For sure :
-Damage: No. Just No.
-speed: Sure. He's faster. But Siegfried has more range
-safeness- His only safe moves require him to be close. Siegfried has unsafe moves, but their range spaces out half the cast, so punishment isn't an issue. This is over-emphasizing the Alexander match-up, and not putting enough weight on the other characters.
-GB game- Aeon has a better GB game. True.
-Throws- BIG Wrong. Have you seen how short his hands are?
-pushback move- Wrong. Forward momentum on most of his moves negate the pushback.
-crusher- Debatable. Aeon's crushers are faster, but less safe than Siegfried's
-movement- It's a tie. Aeon has the worst backstep in the game. He makes up for it in forward movement.

Siegfried isn't top tier broken. But saying he is a sure shot bottom tier is disregarding the positive match-ups he has and only focusing on punishers.
 
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