Bonus Characters and Hitboxes- Proof?

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Dreamkiller said:
So ur banning them because you (and quite possibly ur NJ players) dont want to learn how to fight against them?
That's so stupid, how lazy can you get. The characters bring no type of complications. You're banning them for no reason. There is nothing wrong with them, you are an idiot.

PS - Oh and Custom Characters weren't banned for SC3, cause I remember using Tako at least once.
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Custom characters were OFFICIALLY banned in SC3, and they remained that way for the ENTIRETY of SC3's existance... but if you remember, I was the outcast tournament organizer in SC3... I banned VC a year before everyone else, and I also unbanned bonus characters. I unbanned bonus characters because SC3 was a SHIT game, and I was trying to do everything I could to keep people's interest in tournaments. If you also remember, I tried to switch us over to the JP version, but failed.

Don't judge the rules to the game based on what the rules were to MY tournaments. I ran my own ruleset because I thought XCTU was a horrible decision maker and if you remember, I was VERY outspoken about this.

IdleMind said:
Post it. Post situations. Don't say "its a FACT" and not provide examples and links to proof.
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Why? I'm not fighting to win any arguments here... I already banned them... and thats not changing anytime soon.
 
Jaxel said:
Once again, you would know if you paid attention... Bonus characters are NOT banned because they "don't fit the game". They are banned because they are CLONES of standard characters, because they are essentially custom characters and they follow the rules of custom characters in the game engine. The rules of the game engine were not designed around the custom characters, and thats why you see random whiffing issues. So to put it simply, they are not needed... since they are CLONES.
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That's the most true argument I never read in any threat; Bonus Characters are the same to Custom Characters, so if we let people to use Bonus than we have to let them use Customs.

PD: Hilde Banned? OMG, Now what?

-Stryker-
 
Elfriede said:
Idle words. No proof of any significant differences yet. So?

Where's the truth? Oh right, it doesn't exist. There are only different opinions - interpretations of points of view. Awesome.
Keep at up, folks. (:
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Your posts are not contributing anything to this thread except inserting your opinion which is irrelavent. Add something, or shut up. Yes, I'm a terrible fascist. Yes, I'm a bad person, Yes, blah blah blah flames. I don't care. Post something relavent or Shut Up

-Idle
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Stryker said:
That's the most true argument I never read in any threat; Bonus Characters are the same to Custom Characters, so if we let people to use Bonus than we have to let them use Customs.

PD: Hilde Banned? OMG, Now what?

-Stryker-
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Stryker, Hilde is banned in New Jersey and New England as of this upcoming monthly. So is Algol.

-Idle
 
A "decision maker" needs make sense, right? A general consensus helps too. And facts greatly improve all of that. We just need facts, not opinions.

Jaxel won't unban them, also. Period.
 
Jaxel, if your not going to sway your decision or even participate in debate, whats the point of posting in this thread?

Again, to get back ON TOPIC, I'm looking for REPEATABLE PROOF of hitbox issues in Bonus characters not present in their normal character counterparts as a legitimate cause for a ban. Provide it and bans continue.

-Idle
 
IdleMind said:
Jaxel, if your not going to sway your decision or even participate in debate, whats the point of posting in this thread?

-Idle
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Because I know why this thread was started... This thread was started because of the bitching from Dreamkiller about my new rules; just because I don't talk in Javachat, doesn't mean I'm not there reading along. If as you say, no other community is still banning bonus characters, then what other reason is for this thread except to give Dreamkiller a reason to bitch at me? I'm posting to make sure people know WHY I rebanned bonus characters, and to also know that no matter how much they whine, the decision won't be changed. I made the decision; he may not be happy, and he may not believe its the right decision, but the decision has been made.

A leader isn't about making everyone happy; a leader is about making decisions based on what you think is best for the community. People may not be happy, and it may even be the wrong decision; but a decision must be made.
 
Jaxel said:
Custom characters were OFFICIALLY banned in SC3, and they remained that way for the ENTIRETY of SC3's existance... but if you remember, I was the outcast tournament organizer in SC3... I banned VC a year before everyone else, and I also unbanned bonus characters. I unbanned bonus characters because SC3 was a SHIT game, and I was trying to do everything I could to keep people's interest in tournaments. If you also remember, I tried to switch us over to the JP version, but failed.

Don't judge the rules to the game based on what the rules were to MY tournaments. I ran my own ruleset because I thought XCTU was a horrible decision maker and if you remember, I was VERY outspoken about this.

Why? I'm not fighting to win any arguments here... I already banned them... and thats not changing anytime soon.
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Right, fuck SC3.
Watever.
YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A LEGIT REASON FOR BANNING THEM.
Amy and Scheherazade are BOTH SMALL CHARACTERS. So your Large and Small Talim argument is out the door. What are you gonna do when people ask you why you banned them?
Come out and lie some more cause you never know what the fuck your talking about?
 
Elfriede said:
No proof of any significant differences yet. So?

Where's the truth? Oh right, it doesn't exist. There are only different opinions - interpretations of points of view. Awesome.
Keep at up, folks. (:
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want proof?

test algol 33B on crouching shura
 
Jaxel, you do what you think is right for your community, thats on you. This is how I choose to go about the descision for my own.

-Idle
 
Jaxel said:
Because I know why this thread was started... This thread was started because of the bitching from Dreamkiller about my new rules; just because I don't talk in Javachat, doesn't mean I'm not there reading along. If as you say, no other community is still banning bonus characters, then what other reason is for this thread except to give Dreamkiller a reason to bitch at me? I'm posting to make sure people know WHY I rebanned bonus characters, and to also know that no matter how much they whine, the decision won't be changed. I made the decision; he may not be happy, and he may not believe its the right decision, but the decision has been made.
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Wow, really? I was crying? When was this?
Half the time I'm in chat and the ban talk comes up I'M NEVER THE ONE TO START IT.
Last time I remember talking about that Bubbles brought it up TO ME. And I gave him my 2 Cents about it. I DONT CARE about ur tourneys or your dumbass rules.
There you go again, lying about shit. If you think I'm jus going around everywhere 'bitching' about you, please don't be so full of yourself Jay. U and your tourneys are not the end all be all tourneys. Remember, anyone can do what you do.
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Bubbles said:
want proof?

test algol 33B on crouching shura
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Cass can't hit Lizardman with 1K.
Starkiller's 3B is buggy.

Do you fight the same way against all characters?
C'mon dude. Think.
 
yeah bubbles that doesn't prove much since a lot of Algol's mids miss against specific characters anyway. 66B can't hit some crouching characters, A+B can't hit some crouching characters, second hit of BB doesn't hit some crouching characters etc and that's not including any bonus characters. also what dreamkiller said
 
Dreamkiller said:
There you go again, lying about shit. If you think I'm jus going around everywhere 'bitching' about you, please don't be so full of yourself Jay. U and your tourneys are not the end all be all tourneys. Remember, anyone can do what you do.
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Yes, obviously... why don't you run your own tournaments then? And of course, why do we go to so many tournaments that are run so poorly? It is an easy job, yet so many people can't run a proper tournament to save their lives.

Dreamkiller said:
Do you fight the same way against all characters?
C'mon dude. Think.
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Yeah... so people have to learn how to fight against two different Amys? The top tier Amy, and the topper tier Amy? As I said before, there is no reason to have two versions of Amy in the game. If Scheherezade and Amy are exactly the same (which they aren't), then why can't you play Amy?
 
Jaxel said:
Yes, obviously... why don't you run your own tournaments then? And of course, why do we go to so many tournaments that are run so poorly? It is an easy job, yet so many people can't run a proper tournament to save their lives.


Yeah... so people have to learn how to fight against two different Amys? The top tier Amy, and the topper tier Amy? As I said before, there is no reason to have two versions of Amy in the game. If Scheherezade and Amy are exactly the same (which they aren't), then why can't you play Amy?
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Aaww, poor boo boo.
You want Anti-Amy/Elf tips?
I'd be more than happy to give you some Jay. Maybe hit up Belial or Omar. People who know how to fight against them because THEY HAVE THE SAME MOVES AND SUFFER FROM A HORRIBLE WEAK RIGHT SIDE.
Don't worry about why I want to play Scheherazade and not Amy. What you should be worried about is ur reason for banning these characters.
 
any unwarranted ban is ridiculous. algol and hilde are ridiculously strong, etc... but, they are not broken.

people always try to come up with excuses why they lost, for example: that character is cheap. next, they think of ways to advantage themselves aka "make the game fair." ex: ban so-and-so.

the game is what it is, and by nature, if people like the game, no matter what, they will play. and on the same token, if people do not like the game, no accomodation such as "banning to keep people interested", will make them play it more.

really now, if a section of a community wants to make a special ruleset that limits their gameplay, by all means, go for it. don't impose that ruleset at all. if it works for you, then great.

i, and who knows who else, try to keep as open of a mind as possible. i detest narrowminded, nazi rules. why limit yourself. play the game as it was meant to be played, not as how you see fit it should be played, etc....

again, if a section of a community feels like it will stay more active and together by playing by a specialized ruleset, i'm all for it. other than that, carry on.

and just for the record, if it isn't clear, i am all for no bans, including not banning custom, bonus, and star wars characters. there is just no reason for it other than what seems like a personal choice.

edit: forgot to mention. the ONLY REASON i would agree with a tournament with excluded characters is because of the logisitics such as: unlocking all characters on multiple consoles, paying for a character for multiple consoles.
 
Bonus Characters:

This argument could be crushed and halted just based on this alone (Going into Jaxel's point some more as well as adding my own).

1. Bonus characters are replica's with the exact same moveset's as the originals etc. All whining and bullshit aside there is no reason for them in this game at all. None! They provide nothing different or valuable to this game in terms of competition. What they are are simply pre-created custom characters designed with their own looks and modified weapons. That is everything that holds true for when u go to create ur own custom character in this game and yet they are banned with no argument for obvious reasons. Why are people so dumbfounded when that is what bonus characters are. In the end the only thing they bring are different incomplete hitboxes, range differences etc. The same exact differences u get when u create a custom character urself. I truly do not understand members of this community sometimes and how they cannot think logically. Its disgusting and is the reason why I no longer will be here outside of looking for tournament announcements and some few minor other things.

IdleMind:

I have no vid to record anything and thus cannot prove anything but what I can say is that it does happen and if Dreamkiller is the reason for such unnecessary quarrel that makes this community look dumb again he himself knows it himself since me and Ramon used to session with him and he witnessed the strange hitbox issues himself occur with a number of characters under a number of different situations.

Other shit: (Similiar to this topic)

Not to bring the Hilde, Algol debate in here but another major problem of this community is the constant changing of the rules. Unban then ban and vice versa. Its disrespectful in the most disgusting form to competitors. No one (I repeat) no one wanted to discuss Hilde and Algol when the time was appropriate to do so by locking threads etc. even when it continued to crush the community piece by piece and then a long way down the road people just up and decide to do so. It is disrepectful and as u can see only causes problems.

So essentially what u have is the fault of both the organizers and the community. In life there are things u have to deal with after u fucked up and deal with them. The same rule apply's here. That is my argument from before when it comes to Hilde and Algol. Its to late to change things because u didn't do so appropriately before and changing it now will only create divides and problems. People need to take responsibility. The same rule applies to Bonus characters in combination with the explanation I gave at the top.

Final info:

For those who do not know I provided the first in depth SC:BD thread and I addressed everything that u could find outside of some minor things that u would figure out down the line. I explained the reasoning why Hilde should be banned in regards to what else was in the game in the beginning. Got flamed for it by taking the proper initiative and that just goes to show that this community is a joke.

So Jaxel makes a point in that the organizers are not firm enough in this game and allow bullshit to go on among letting flamers run lose and those who know me or my post history know who i'm talking about.
 
You people are retarded. Bubbles proved his point, provided you can extrapolate a bit.

Bonus character differences:

Range--Shura's AA is superior in range to Cervantes'.
Hitbox--Shura can crouch to avoid Algol 33B, Cervantes cannot.

As such, the premises that bonus characters can have different ranges and hitboxes from their standard counterparts are valid. QED, BITCHES.

Idle--ur mom is a bonus character.
 
ok at range raphs BB whiffs elf crouching

does not whiff on amy

but thats ok

raph players dont exist and they should just adapt!!!
 
simple test : default costumes .. testing amy vs schez.. set AI to raph.

1.Record BB, BB with raph
2.Run amy point blank into raph (so that he would move backwards at least) and then crouch
3.Play recording
4.Watch as all the hits connect

Repeat with Sche for step 2.
You'll notice whiffing.
ADVANTAGE : ELF

NOW... i should note that raph's BB WILL Whiff against amy at a certain range.. but there it brings up another variable besides hitboxes (how vulnerable to push back on BB hit while crouching is the other variable).
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test #2 (punishment test)

Again Amy vs Schezandelf.. against dummy Raph

1.Record 33K:B with raph
2.run up to raph with Character (at least till raph moves back)
3.Play 33K:B with raph
4.Attempt to punish with 6BB

Notice amy cannot punish it whereas the elf could.
ADVANTAGE : ELF
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Test 3: (range interrupt test)

Amy vs Elf again against dummy Raph

1.Record 3B, then BB with raph (not stance)
2.Block the 3B, then retaliate with your own BB (before raph's BB)

You'll notice Amy whiffs the 1st hit of her BB and eats Raph's BB on CH.. while the elf would score a BB on counterhit.

Advantage : Elf
 
Something-Unique said:
Bonus Characters:

This argument could be crushed and halted just based on this alone (Going into Jaxel's point some more as well as adding my own).

1. Bonus characters are replica's with the exact same moveset's as the originals etc. All whining and bullshit aside there is no reason for them in this game at all. None! They provide nothing different or valuable to this game in terms of competition. What they are are simply pre-created custom characters designed with their own looks and modified weapons. That is everything that holds true for when u go to create ur own custom character in this game and yet they are banned with no argument for obvious reasons. Why are people so dumbfounded when that is what bonus characters are. In the end the only thing they bring are different incomplete hitboxes, range differences etc. The same exact differences u get when u create a custom character urself. I truly do not understand members of this community sometimes and how they cannot think logically. Its disgusting and is the reason why I no longer will be here outside of looking for tournament announcements and some few minor other things.
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Omar, ur a-fucking-nother one. You know damn well the only reason you want HER banned is because you have a harder time versus her and u dont want to deal with it (Wah Wah Elf can punish WS B Wah Wah.) You know damn well, if Kilik was ass you would be behind all this ban bullshit. You think people get you? Notice how everytime you post something up you always get negative feedback. Trust me, its not the community. ITS YOU. Yeah, lets ban them because they're not needed. Awesome reason.
 
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