Maxi Video Thread
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KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
I don't have SC4 for Xbox....I can't use that controller to save my life. I only play RockBand on 360 lol.
Tiamat
[11] Champion
man someone posted those fast I didn't even get to it yet XD, here's the last one:
These are actually all of the maxi vs algol matches we recorded, though at least one match was lost due to me having some serious static electricity which fucked up at least one of them haha. funny story but yeah...
RC A to WR A is totally copied from Fiendchi, it's a nice trick, as is GI. This was my first time playing algol matchup and as you can see from the vids, it didn't go well. I'm sure maxi vs algol is not as bad as it looks in the vids, cause my Maxi still needs work and after all, it was first time playing the matchup. One thing I'll say though...do NOT use 4A4B vs Algol much, his 2B+K seems like it's guaranteed, not pretty at all.
It seems like once Maxi gets on him you gotta keep on him and keep your mistakes to a minimum or your pressure gets shot (though I guess this goes for a lot of matchups). Range is a problem, but also damage output is vastly differently between the two characters. Only thing Maxi seems to have going for him here is that he has a better attack flow and speed at close range. 6A seems decent anti-backdash because of it's speed+range combination, though the RO A seems to whiff because of his backward movement.
random note: I eat two 11A tech traps that were entirely avoidable in these matches, don't be fooled into thinking it's a foolproof mixup for algol after 1B hits
also, in retrospect, I should have stepped more often (step left vs algol to dodge BB and other things)
Yeah, i always cruise youtube looking for vids, so I guess I got lucky. :D
You mean 4AB4? If so, then yeah, that was ugly. That's algol smasher thingie right ( uh, technical term patent pending. :) )? Also, I saw you use 44B alot, but in the other thread you mentioned you usually regret it. Was that intentional vs algol or just a mistake? i saw you use it a few times.
You mean 4AB4? If so, then yeah, that was ugly. That's algol smasher thingie right ( uh, technical term patent pending. :) )? Also, I saw you use 44B alot, but in the other thread you mentioned you usually regret it. Was that intentional vs algol or just a mistake? i saw you use it a few times.
Tiamat
[11] Champion
Yeah that's what I meant, my hands know how to do it but I forget what it actually is. I should probably just stop using 44B cause it's lame. I don't really have a plan when I'm using, it it's just kinda a random move I do sometimes.
I think 44b in SC1 was alot better, it seems like it had alot better range and i think it was a stand alone move with an input like B2 or something. I didn't use it alot, but now it seems kinda crappy. Oh yeah, nice vids BTW. Thanks for your hard work! I found them because I go crawling youtube for vids pretty much every week. My maxi sucks so i'm always looking for vids to improve my game. :D
Uber1337
[10] Knight
yeah, when you get in on Algol, you really gotta do all you can to stay in. Getting in on Algol is such a pain in the ass
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
hehe Algol ownage
I'll hit u up on msn.
Doing WL after RO B and 44B hits = fail
NO 11B = fail
No 44AB = fail
Also Algol can't use verticals vs 4AB4 for obvious reasons. These are factors you have to remember ;) Noone can use verticals reliably vs Maxi's stances. It depends on you to read them well. There is only one reliable way to shut down maxi's stuff from that. Hell psl4_psl5 will make u eatfirst lash but make second hit whiff but u get Algol sideturn with disadvantage. There's also the option of doing 4ABG which if algol reflexively replies with 2B+K then it whiffs completely. Remember thine options padawan :p
I'll hit u up on msn.
Doing WL after RO B and 44B hits = fail
NO 11B = fail
No 44AB = fail
Also Algol can't use verticals vs 4AB4 for obvious reasons. These are factors you have to remember ;) Noone can use verticals reliably vs Maxi's stances. It depends on you to read them well. There is only one reliable way to shut down maxi's stuff from that. Hell psl4_psl5 will make u eatfirst lash but make second hit whiff but u get Algol sideturn with disadvantage. There's also the option of doing 4ABG which if algol reflexively replies with 2B+K then it whiffs completely. Remember thine options padawan :p
Fiendchi
[09] Warrior
Hey, nice matches for Tiamat XDD
WR A is really a risk and reward move ,if you guess right you get 40, if not -__- that's painful 。。。20+ unsafe
11B is a pretty decent move getting into RC, I did sometimes for OKi 。。
WR A is really a risk and reward move ,if you guess right you get 40, if not -__- that's painful 。。。20+ unsafe
11B is a pretty decent move getting into RC, I did sometimes for OKi 。。
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
Those vids makes me sick.....Tiamat that was great stuff you were doing with Maxi but Algol is really just full of shit.
Plus I hate to say it but Maxi isn't......fuck it, i'm in the Maxi forum I can't disrespect him. Let's just say that Maxi isn't as equipped as he used to be to deal with all the bullshit that some other characters have in this game now.
Plus I hate to say it but Maxi isn't......fuck it, i'm in the Maxi forum I can't disrespect him. Let's just say that Maxi isn't as equipped as he used to be to deal with all the bullshit that some other characters have in this game now.
Aqua_Snake
[09] Warrior
Good stuff Tiamat.
Some things I did like which was how well you use Maxi's step. I almost forgot how awesome his step is. You worked his Soul Gauge very well. When he was flashing in the Red, I was hoping you would throw out 66B+K. If you had him just block it 2 times you would have recieved a free CF. It seemed it was difficult to get in to do that, so it's hard to say.
Whodat seemed to fall into a pattern of throwing out a bubble, then hitting you low. I would have loved to see you punish that with 9K a little more. You did that one or two times which was cool. Improve your psychic powers. :P
I was also hoping to see you include alot of stance/move canceling into throw attempts this time around. :( Whodat seemed like he would have fell for alot of those which would cause him to duck more. Lastly, I would have wanted you to punish him for laying on the ground. He layed there untill you finished with your looping. Perhaps you can experiment with 22_88K repeat loops that I talked about in the "Setups while on the ground thread"?
I want to see how that works for you. Otherwise, good job considering how much of a bitch Algol is. XD
Some things I did like which was how well you use Maxi's step. I almost forgot how awesome his step is. You worked his Soul Gauge very well. When he was flashing in the Red, I was hoping you would throw out 66B+K. If you had him just block it 2 times you would have recieved a free CF. It seemed it was difficult to get in to do that, so it's hard to say.
Whodat seemed to fall into a pattern of throwing out a bubble, then hitting you low. I would have loved to see you punish that with 9K a little more. You did that one or two times which was cool. Improve your psychic powers. :P
I was also hoping to see you include alot of stance/move canceling into throw attempts this time around. :( Whodat seemed like he would have fell for alot of those which would cause him to duck more. Lastly, I would have wanted you to punish him for laying on the ground. He layed there untill you finished with your looping. Perhaps you can experiment with 22_88K repeat loops that I talked about in the "Setups while on the ground thread"?
I want to see how that works for you. Otherwise, good job considering how much of a bitch Algol is. XD
Tiamat
[11] Champion
KrayzieCD & Fiendchi: thanks for the compliments :)
hotnikklez: every time I did 11B I got hit by bubbles, it seems to extend his hitbox forward like WOAH, though it's possible I just need to be further away when I use it or something. I agree I need to stop doing the WL after RO B and 44B hit, bad reaction from me, need more focus. 4AB4 I will have to try stuff out in training mode, though he's not gonna do the 2B+K if he blocks 4ABG because it looks too different (as seen in the last vid i believe).
aquasnake: you are totally right about doing more throw setups from stances, it seems I forgot again. I bet RO A > throw would be especially effective based on the vids. I'll try to keep 66B+K in mind when they are flashing soul gauge. I actually did get a CF on Algol in the match that got corrupted. Every time I touched the camera to stop the recording it would spark and shut down the camera lol, started pressing the button with a cloth after a few times
hotnikklez: every time I did 11B I got hit by bubbles, it seems to extend his hitbox forward like WOAH, though it's possible I just need to be further away when I use it or something. I agree I need to stop doing the WL after RO B and 44B hit, bad reaction from me, need more focus. 4AB4 I will have to try stuff out in training mode, though he's not gonna do the 2B+K if he blocks 4ABG because it looks too different (as seen in the last vid i believe).
aquasnake: you are totally right about doing more throw setups from stances, it seems I forgot again. I bet RO A > throw would be especially effective based on the vids. I'll try to keep 66B+K in mind when they are flashing soul gauge. I actually did get a CF on Algol in the match that got corrupted. Every time I touched the camera to stop the recording it would spark and shut down the camera lol, started pressing the button with a cloth after a few times
Fhwoarang
[09] Warrior
One question: do throws make bubbles disappear?
I didn't watched all the videos, is kinda stressing watch such awful match up. I read what Tiamat said that is not as bad as it looks here, but I definitively don't like to watch it. Is almost like watching a MVC2 fight with the Sentinel or something.
Overall, Tiamat did a good job, playing as solid as he could, watching for bubbles all over the place and constant lows-mids mid range mix ups.
I didn't watched all the videos, is kinda stressing watch such awful match up. I read what Tiamat said that is not as bad as it looks here, but I definitively don't like to watch it. Is almost like watching a MVC2 fight with the Sentinel or something.
Overall, Tiamat did a good job, playing as solid as he could, watching for bubbles all over the place and constant lows-mids mid range mix ups.
Tiamat
[11] Champion
Fhwoarang: throws from either character, even if the throw is broken, will make all bubbles disappear
If I had used more step into grab and stance moves into grabs I think I'd have won one or two more matches. I think throws are also important because they do good damage and allow maxi to keep momentum, which is especially important in this match imo.
If I had used more step into grab and stance moves into grabs I think I'd have won one or two more matches. I think throws are also important because they do good damage and allow maxi to keep momentum, which is especially important in this match imo.
Fhwoarang
[09] Warrior
That's really good to know. Thanks for your answer. =) I saw Algol grabbing you and the bubbles disappeard. It kinda makes sense, I think (or awful bugs would came out).
I saw good strategy on your side, the problem was the amount of presure Algol was putting on you. Like you said, once you get to him, you need to keep your mistakes to a minimum. The problem was that you were using your tools nicely, but you weren't using all the tools you could use. But the solidness and smartness is the important part you already have.
I saw several 4B, PSL1 BL mix ups, and several RO A[K] full charged. I want to recommend you to on time to time go to neutral after BL (RO A, neutral, 4BB); that's a nice trick, and several Maxi players do it. You can delay a lot BL KK (or BL B) if they start to stand up after you get out of BL. This eventually leads to CH BL A.
Some really choice vids of Chang's fd playing as Maxi. Unfortunately, the amy is just so-so ( gets hit by 4BBK a couple of times without ducking ), but gets the job done.
Like Tiamat, he uses ALOT of WL. Guess I gotta start doing that more when the opponent is using B attacks. Once really great part in one of the vids is he gets off a PSL3 parry which goes by so fast i had to rewind it a few times.
Like Tiamat, he uses ALOT of WL. Guess I gotta start doing that more when the opponent is using B attacks. Once really great part in one of the vids is he gets off a PSL3 parry which goes by so fast i had to rewind it a few times.
OuTk@sT
[09] Warrior
it works right up until they start whoring kicks to interrupt you.
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
Those CF vids were regrettably not good at all. Amy didn't have a clue in hell how to fight Maxi, and CF didn't play too well himself either :)
Regardless there were entertaining though, always fun to see people blunder into WL pwnage.
Regardless there were entertaining though, always fun to see people blunder into WL pwnage.
The vids with Tiamat vs. Whodat were really random. First off Tiamat is just really picking up maxi so he has a lot of work to do. I on the other hand haven't played Algol in months, but Tiamat wanted to work on the match up so out he comes.
I do think that he should have thrown more though.
I do think that he should have thrown more though.
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
Whodat: Make more vids against Tiamat's Maxi but use someone other than Algol, I can't stand Algol.