Kai_lombax
[13] Hero
Made a video where I share some of my impressions and thoughts on the game so far :)
Soul Calibur VI: General discussion
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Made a video where I share some of my impressions and thoughts on the game so far :)
Macaulyn
[13] Hero
Thats not what the majority says, however, as little as I care about Talim, its undeniable her popularity towers above Setsuka's.
Not really, Patroklos was already a fighter and already had possession of Soul Calibur before he decided to adopt the fighting style taught by her (even though she taught him way before he got his hands on Soul Calibur, which further prevents her from being involved with the two swords) and α Patroklos was more of an easter egg than anything else, he could easily be cut from the game and the story would still progress normally regardless of whether he changed moveset or not.
Kai_lombax
[13] Hero
I would rather have Talim to be honest. I can admit that she's not the most important character in the series but she has more significance than Setsuka to the overall plot considering she can purify Soul Edge. And considering where Soul Calibur 6 is taking place (Soul Calibur 1), there's just no reason to have Setsuka because she didn't have a reason to fight yet.
I'm not someone who hates Setsuka, I like her and I like her weapon style but I'm just being honest as far as chances go. That plus Talim is so fun to play lol
I'm not someone who hates Setsuka, I like her and I like her weapon style but I'm just being honest as far as chances go. That plus Talim is so fun to play lol
KostasGR
[14] Master
If she has no influence in the story of Soul Calibur VI I really want to see her as DLC or bonus character! She is so unique, everything on her are so unique, her fighting style, her appearance, her attitude, everything!
Windstar
[13] Hero
Relevancy doesn't really matter whether a character is going to be in the game or not. Largely, it's basically going to be whether there is enough time to include everyone they want, while also balancing the features available in the game to justify it's price to the consumer. A character's relevance to the story as a whole doesn't really matter. Lizardman is a perfect example of this.
Some folks a while ago talked about who was the most influential character in Soul Calibur; the answer is obvious, it's Nightmare. Even the story called for Nightmare to be dropped as Siegfried had reclaimed his sanity, Nightmare was still brought back into the game as a separate character. And it's obvious that Project Soul and Namco could not think of another character who could possess Soul Edge and look and feel as iconic as Nightmare could. Nightmare gets his own movelist completely separate from Siegfried; just so that Nightmare can stay in the game series even if Siegfried were to die or go missing in a later game.
And that's important to understand how the developers approach the cast in Soul Calibur. A large chunk of the cast can be considered expendable, but Nightmare is forever.
Now, again to stress who is coming and who is not coming into the game. Remember, this is Soul Edge - Soul Calibur 1's time period. 1583 to 1590. In Soul Calibur 1 there were TWENTY (20) playable characters. Inferno, Arthur and Edgemaster excluded; that leaves 17 characters. Soul Calibur 6 has 23 on the base roster. Two of which are fan favorites that we know are coming. Talim and Zasalamel. Two more that are brand new characters (Groh plus one other). That puts the remaining roster at 19. One more slot is taken by a guest character, leaving 18 character slots. Who in the Soul Calibur 1 character list is missing? That is your answer to who is coming to the roster. There will be no Soul Calibur 2, Soul Calibur 3, Soul Calibur 4, or Soul Calibur 5 characters in the base roster. Your hopes for a Setsuka, Raphael, Tira, Cassandra, Yunsung, Hilde, Algol, Dampierre, Viola, ZWEI, Amy, are entirely rested upon DLC, or a CAS-style. They are unlikely to be in the game otherwise, much less in the story mode (though there could be cameos).
Some folks a while ago talked about who was the most influential character in Soul Calibur; the answer is obvious, it's Nightmare. Even the story called for Nightmare to be dropped as Siegfried had reclaimed his sanity, Nightmare was still brought back into the game as a separate character. And it's obvious that Project Soul and Namco could not think of another character who could possess Soul Edge and look and feel as iconic as Nightmare could. Nightmare gets his own movelist completely separate from Siegfried; just so that Nightmare can stay in the game series even if Siegfried were to die or go missing in a later game.
And that's important to understand how the developers approach the cast in Soul Calibur. A large chunk of the cast can be considered expendable, but Nightmare is forever.
Now, again to stress who is coming and who is not coming into the game. Remember, this is Soul Edge - Soul Calibur 1's time period. 1583 to 1590. In Soul Calibur 1 there were TWENTY (20) playable characters. Inferno, Arthur and Edgemaster excluded; that leaves 17 characters. Soul Calibur 6 has 23 on the base roster. Two of which are fan favorites that we know are coming. Talim and Zasalamel. Two more that are brand new characters (Groh plus one other). That puts the remaining roster at 19. One more slot is taken by a guest character, leaving 18 character slots. Who in the Soul Calibur 1 character list is missing? That is your answer to who is coming to the roster. There will be no Soul Calibur 2, Soul Calibur 3, Soul Calibur 4, or Soul Calibur 5 characters in the base roster. Your hopes for a Setsuka, Raphael, Tira, Cassandra, Yunsung, Hilde, Algol, Dampierre, Viola, ZWEI, Amy, are entirely rested upon DLC, or a CAS-style. They are unlikely to be in the game otherwise, much less in the story mode (though there could be cameos).
HydroJames
Shining Sea Dragon
I don't give a FUCK about the majority!
Kai_lombax
[13] Hero
Exactly. The onyl character I see maybe being squeezed into the main base roster out the ones you highlighted is Raphael and that's only If they add in the plot point where Raphael confronts Nightmare as Siegfried and separates them just like he did in the original story.
Amy was still a little girl and canonically, she had no reason to fight until Raphael went missing in SCIV (and considering she's Viola in the future... Yeah), Setsuka was never important to the main plot, Algol was still in resting until the events of SC4 and & Zwei didn't even exist yet.
I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing Cassandra, Setsuka, Amy, Hilde, Tira, or Viola's fighting styles donated to CAS for this game but as far as them actually being included? Yeah no... I'd rather they see this retelling to as close as possible. I mean, if they do include Setsuka, Tira, Cassandra, and Amy as DLC bonus characters in the same way Hwang and Li Long were in SC3, I wouldn't be bothered but yeah.
Maedhros
[12] Conqueror
In Setsu's defence, her outward design was very attractive, whether we are talking about the geisha look or the Mary Poppins look that people always like to joke about (on that note, how the hell did that apparel make sense in a 16th century environment??). I would like to see how current gen displays those gorgeous robes of hers when she lunges forward in a twister.Good Lord, it appears I am not the only one who faithfully anticipates's return. Y'all have made an old lady happy today.
However, after reading the following:
I am inclined to say that this is a valid point. Even if Snow Flower makes no appearance, there is always SC3 and SC4. It is a good thing I picked up those games recently (not to mention I am cool with Alpha Patroklos replacing her in SC5) so no big loss.
Soshite...sayonara
Sadly, there is not much pre-existing story to justify her appearing in this reboot, but they could expand her story by connecting her to Sophitia. At first, they would fight each other, but later become friends close enough for Setsuka to take lil' Patzy-cakes under her tutelage.
Antonia-Lorena
[10] Knight
Hmm.. Characters I see as potential DLC are Hilde, Cassandra, Yun-Seong, Setsuka, Amy, Hwang and Rock.
SpellcraftQuill
[14] Master
Looking at the names lengths for story mode make me think Mi-Na, Hwang, and Rock will be forgotten sadly. Hwang seems like good DLC bait but I prefer those two over the lovebirds/protagonists who fight similarly. Plus naginata-like weapons and cutlasses are cool. Just don’t want Lizzy and Cassie back with the same weapon.
If Hilde can’t be DLC, then maybe Mi-Na could borrow a few techniques from the former since she’ll have the closest thing to a spear?
If Hilde can’t be DLC, then maybe Mi-Na could borrow a few techniques from the former since she’ll have the closest thing to a spear?
GhostTear
[13] Hero
I see a lot of old characters being wish or speculated to be DLC. What about new characters to the franchise?
Jakajantiamu
[11] Champion
Well, I would like to see a Natsu skin, but not as a dlc character, would be too lazy. Maybe as a 3p for Taki that I could buy.
Spanky
[13] Hero
I would like "new" characters in the sense that I would like to see them take preexisting characters from the lore and fully integrate them into the roster. That way, PS can use the inclusion of such characters to elaborate on the lore they already have while introducing whatever weapons those sub-characters use as fighting styles (I am assuming their weapons might be tweaked or changed accordingly to make them fit well among the existing styles in the roster).
DanteSC3
[14] Master
The only way I will believe this is if Rock, Seong Mi-na, or Hwang are revealed, personally. They seem really unlikely otherwise, and the only way that they would make it in is if what you're saying is true. Seong Mi-na wouldn't automatically make me believe, but one of the other two would. Talim and Zasalamel making it in basically opens the floodgates for the others, not necessarily as DLC, either.
Jakajantiamu
[11] Champion
It might be cool if they have some of the other characters as babies or young ones in some of the story art, like how they have art of the younger Seigfried in the game.
Kind of hoping they don't make a young siegfried boy character playable I don't really want that.
Kind of hoping they don't make a young siegfried boy character playable I don't really want that.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
New characters really don't have a place in this reboot environment, I don't think. It's surprising to me that Grøh and his father would even be included and honestly, they have some explaining to do to justify their existence. If the intent of this game is to retell the original stories of Soul Edge up to SoulCalibur II in greater detail, then we should want to have as many returnees as possible in order to have them fleshed out instead of being left behind.
They might include the SoulCalibur V cast costumes as CaS pieces, since a good number of the outfits already exist and others still were on the cutting room floor. It would be a neat fanservicey way to include them without taking up slots. And maybe, just maybe, we might see a few of their weapons as alternates.
Nyte
Fu-ma's Shadow
Well since it's a reboot they're free to introduce whatever new elements they want. I for one am dying for a brand new female fighter that actually adds rather than takes away.
Fatal_Exodus
[14] Master
Even if it is a reboot, it still is a new game in and of itself, and to leave out the ideas of bringing in new characters seems counter-intuitive to the concept of it being a sequel, much less named Soul Calibur VI. If Groh and his father are the only new characters in the game (and I'm not saying they should be, but if they are), then they already have a spot in the canon by way of being directly tied to the Aval Organization. Z.W.E.I. and Viola in comparison are shoddy additions aside from their polarizing gameplay, only because we never really found out what their deal was.
Soul
Valide Kösem Sultan
She has an extremely unique fighting style, weapon , and design. She's fairly popular, too. There's absolutely no reason not to include her, aside from obvious time and monetary restrictions. This game is a reboot, therefore pretty much every single thing you mentioned doesn't even matter anymore since they can rewrite her story/relationships. Like what they'll most likely do with Zas, Tira, Talim, and maybe Amy.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
I'm not saying I don't want new characters at all, I'm just saying this isn't the time or place for it, considering the circumstances and the setup. I am assuming that, if this game goes well, then SoulCalibur VII will follow suit and retell the stories of SoulCalibur II through SoulCalibur IV with the same detail and gusto as this game seems to be doing. Maybe a pair of new characters there too, only if they help tell the narrative, like I'm assuming that Grøh and his father will be doing, else why are they here? Perhaps the new duo from SoulCalibur VII could both be female to help restore the ratio.
Your point about Viola and Z.W.E.I. (along with all the other unexplored characters and plots only found in the art book) comes down to the incompleteness of SoulCalibur V more than anything else. They would have had relevance and they would have had their own stories to tell if not for the tsunami that cut development mixed with Tekken Tag 2 taking resources away from finishing the game post-launch. But even then, that game was a new entry and a true sequel, so new characters are more easily added there in a brand new story. This is a retelling of old stories, so mostly all old characters is mostly a given, I think so at least.
If we finally break into all new territory for SoulCalibur VIII, then I'll be all for a bunch of new folks. But establish all the others properly first if that's what they're aiming to do.