Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Jakajantiamu said:
It would be sweet if we got a game more frequently than every 5 years after this.

Actually it will be sweet if the franchise can continue. I'm just so excited about SC6 right now, so hype, so cheerful. It is a bright spot in my day right now.
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I really hope that this game does well -- that's why I am totally fine with a lot of casual elements being catered. I think that a competitive scene, no matter what the game does, will still emerge in some form. As long as they don't have game breaking glitches like in SCIII I think it'll be good <3
 
Nyte said:
Well since it's a reboot they're free to introduce whatever new elements they want. I for one am dying for a brand new female fighter that actually adds rather than takes away.
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Fatal_Exodus said:
Even if it is a reboot, it still is a new game in and of itself, and to leave out the ideas of bringing in new characters seems counter-intuitive to the concept of it being a sequel, much less named Soul Calibur VI. If Groh and his father are the only new characters in the game (and I'm not saying they should be, but if they are), then they already have a spot in the canon by way of being directly tied to the Aval Organization. Z.W.E.I. and Viola in comparison are shoddy additions aside from their polarizing gameplay, only because we never really found out what their deal was.
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In and of itself, new characters are a wonderful idea and with the reboot, it is in a wonderful point in the series that quickly re-establish itself bring in new characters and add far better twists to the story that what SC4 did. I caution, however, that we don't really want another situation like SC4 had with Algol, being rather universally reviled. So while new characters are nice, we still want quality.

That said, however, we're not likely to get a number of new characters like SC2/3 did because of CAS development times and because of the single-player story modes. It took a solid year and a half for SC2 to come to consoles and it added an additional four more characters (Necrid plus the guests) brought back three, and took two older styles and put them on faceless characters; not to mention adding more new moves to every one in the cast. And addressed several bugs, and added three more stages.

And the sole single-player mode in the game was a Mission Mode with no story-specific cutscenes other than the ones added for the new characters.

If we could get that kind of quality and development time again, it'd be wonderful, but it's not going to happen. Soul Calibur is exclusive to consoles now, and without that Arcade presence, funding and extra development time for console versions (and keep in mind Tekken 7 is rather anemic in content despite a year-plus in the arcades; but it does have a really solid character roster and guests). We're stuck to basically two brand new characters, and like SC4, one of them is a boss character. At the very least, we're getting fan favorites who missed a game and some old favorites who haven't been seen in perhaps a decade.

And despite all of that I've said, I'm perfectly happy with being completely wrong on the roster, but I don't think I will be.
 
I think we keep forgetting that Vergeben said that Amy would likely be Viola in future appearances. Also, just like how Groh and his Father now exist, this retcon gives a lot of leeway while being true to the general plotline.
 
Robert_J_King said:
I think we keep forgetting that Vergeben said that Amy would likely be Viola in future appearances. Also, just like how Groh and his Father now exist, this retcon gives a lot of leeway while being true to the general plotline.
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Taken at face value, sure, but it could also be interpreted as that we won't see Amy as playable Amy, and when she is playable again, she would be Viola. I'm seeing it like we'll have Raphael's story feature Amy as an orphan and growing up into a teenager, and then, at the event where Raphael stabs Soul Edge in the eye and causes himself to be malfested due to the Soul Edge shards that ricochet into his body, and Amy tends to Raphael's wounds, instead of just being a Raphael expy with vampirism, that event would awaken her inner Viola powers and she would be able to fight by Raphael's side. I just really can't see them changing the story that much to have Amy just be Viola from a child's age. They don't seem to be changing the story but expanding the story. I haven't seen a single story detail yet that contradicts the original timeline, save for the appearance of Grøh.
 
DanteSC3 said:
Taken at face value, sure, but it could also be interpreted as that we won't see Amy as playable Amy, and when she is playable again, she would be Viola. I'm seeing it like we'll have Raphael's story feature Amy as an orphan and growing up into a teenager, and then, at the event where Raphael stabs Soul Edge in the eye and causes himself to be malfested due to the Soul Edge shards that ricochet into his body, and Amy tends to Raphael's wounds, instead of just being a Raphael expy with vampirism, that event would awaken her inner Viola powers and she would be able to fight by Raphael's side. I just really can't see them changing the story that much to have Amy just be Viola from a child's age. They don't seem to be changing the story but expanding the story. I haven't seen a single story detail yet that contradicts the original timeline, save for the appearance of Grøh.
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That in itself is an example. The fact that not all SCI characters will be in yet we have SCII and III characters alongside newcomers and Geralt actually playing a part in the story tells me they're changing things.
 
Verge any chance you could ask your source if there will be a rapier style in the game?

I bet you already know and love feeding us pigeons the crumbs.
 
Robert_J_King said:
I think we keep forgetting that Vergeben said that Amy would likely be Viola in future appearances. Also, just like how Groh and his Father now exist, this retcon gives a lot of leeway while being true to the general plotline.
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I haven't forgotten. I still cry myself to sleep every night over it whilst secretly plotting all the ways I can mutilate and destroy Viola if she's in SCVI >:)

But I'm not mad. Oh no. :3
 
all this Groh/Amy talk reminds me of those theories that Groh = Zwei and Amy = Viola (it was never officially confirmed right? we've just accepted it as canon at this point lmao)

and Verge did say that Amy's likely going to show up as Viola from now on...

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Idk, I wouldn't mind if they made ViolAmy a part of the Aval Organisation with Groh?

Perhaps not for SCVI, but after they reintroduce Raph into the story, and explain how Amy transitions into Viola. I feel like this is what Bamco were trying to go for with Zwei/Viola in SCV but their subplot probably got axed along with the rest of the story... lol
 

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I would rather have Amy as a rapier style, but then again with the limited number of character slots we should be getting Raphael only. I don't think amy will make an appearance in this game not even as viola (which i'm still not convinced are the same person).

Besides, viola as a move list was very poorly received by the community. Magic ball projectiles was completely out of place in a weapon based fighter IMO. And then there's the broken aspect of her, which everyone knows. Fun fact: Viola only became broken after one of the first 'balance' batches for scv. This is why they should wait at least 6 months for any balance patching.

What I really wanna see is the boss character be NightTerror (from sc3). A juiced up, unplayable nightmare.

I'm expecting the next character reveal to be: Astaroth, Raphael, Talim. Still holding out on Cassandra but I'm not expecting it at this point
 
Raph should take from Amy. I mean he probably can’t do vampire stuff anymore...

Also it seems like Xiba may have some differences from Kilik and Mi-Na according to some posts? What if his less Kilik-y stuff instead went to Mi-Na? Worst case scenario is that Mi-Na gets some of Hilde’s spear elements? Besides you probably shouldn’t handle a naginata the same way as a staff.

Rock, I can’t save him. He even had a custom character voice and the same CF as his replacement. He might have even just lost his mammoth mask in his 2P. And I’m worried there’s more Ashlotte fans.
 
They could always mix Viola and Amy into one character with a 'claw and rapier' style, keeping Amy's general flow and style but switching some shared stuff out for claw attacks to differentiate her from Raph more. Would be weird but I can see it working.
 
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SpellcraftQuill said:
Raph should take from Amy. I mean he probably can’t do vampire stuff anymore...

Also it seems like Xiba may have some differences from Kilik and Mi-Na according to some posts? What if his less Kilik-y stuff instead went to Mi-Na? Worst case scenario is that Mi-Na gets some of Hilde’s spear elements? Besides you probably shouldn’t handle a naginata the same way as a staff.

Rock, I can’t save him. He even had a custom character voice and the same CF as his replacement. He might have even just lost his mammoth mask in his 2P. And I’m worried there’s more Ashlotte fans.
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If Raphael takes some of Amy's better moves to make him more viable, then I'm okay with that, if we're not getting Amy. It would make for a better Amy CaS using Raphael's style if Raphael has Amy's moves anyway, so it would be somewhat of a win-win. Amy never really had vampire-type moves in the first place.

Xiba can keep his junk to himself, he wasn't like Kilik or Seong Mi-na at all. He was a warped delusion of what Kilik's style was at one point. Using his style on either a Kilik or a Seong Mi-na CaS in SoulCalibur V didn't work well. I know that Kilik in Legendary Souls just used Xiba's moves, but it was still wrong, even with Kilik's voice and appearance using those moves, it was just weird and out of place.

I don't really much have anything to say about Rock. He's good at what he does, being a grappler. Astaroth grapples too, sure, but Rock's whole design is around doing the grapples and he's better at it, while Astaroth has mixups and powerful strikes to supplant the grapples. They're both okay at doing their own thing, but Rock's lack of popularity just can't really be ignored. They might could bring Ashlotte back for SoulCalibur VII if demand is high enough, using Rock as a base instead of Astaroth and then giving her some of her own quirks with telekinesis or mechanical programming type stuff, I dunno.
 
tirakai said:
They could always mix Viola and Amy into one character with a 'claw and rapier' style, keeping Amy's general flow and style but switching some shared stuff out for claw attacks to differentiate her from Raph more. Would be weird but I can see it working.
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No, they could not, that would be an awful mess, and makes no sense to mix that.
 
Any character from SC-SC4 who has a unique style has every right to return. It's not up to any one person to decide if their "story relevance" should be the deciding factor or not. For several reasons:
1) This is a damn reboot. Even if a character was "irrelevant" in the original timeline, they can easily remedy that here.
2) If a character is popular enough, then story relevance IS irrelevant, sorry to say. Setsuka's definitely not unpopular and her making it in would please a lot of people. This combined with:
3) Having an extremely unique style, she wouldn't be a waste of a slot at all and has every right to be in this roster, just as much as everyone else who has been revealed so far.
4) Again on the story relevance. I get that they're placing focus on the story this time, and yes we're all very excited for it, myself included (believe me, immensely excited). However...at its core, this is still a fighting game. And at the end of the day, a fighting game's base roster should not be exclusively focused only on those who have a big story to tell, but those whose playstyles and overall popularity can bring something to the table. Like I said as well, this is a reboot. They can easily make her story relevant if they want to.
tl;dr: Any character who has a unique style and is fairly popular has every right to make it into the base roster of this game and it's not anyone's place to just decide by themselves that a specific character flat out doesn't deserve it.
 
Lore-wise, it actually makes sense if Cassandra has a different weapon, right? Since she wouldn't have taken the sword and shield yet.
 
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