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I was kinda hoping for more I guess. But after Kayane dropped her interview I had a feeling there wouldn’t be much more if any news.
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- 2 or more news moves for each characters (except Inferno)
- Season 2 will be trying to broaden options, but not totally change direction or anything that drastic.
Season 2 will be trying to broaden options,
To be fair, most of what you have on that list may well be locked in just so that there are bad guys for the heroes to confront. I'm still holding onto hope that Azwel absorbs the power Algol would have consumed or something like that, but for the most part, I think we're all expecting those story beats you listed.My bigger picture argument is that if, at the end of the day, the next game's events happen as follows:
Then no, we are not on a "new timeline", and no, this was not a "reboot". The nature of these things would be defined by their chain of differences from the original course of things, and so far, it would appear that these things will not deviate, at least in my opinion. There isn't enough evidence to support that these things won't happen, at least not yet. SoulCalibur VII will break that notion, one way or the other.
- Siegfried relapses and becomes Nightmare again, creating a new conflict for Soul Calibur to rise up and fight once more.
- Nightmare is defeated, Soul Edge is pierced in the eye by Raphael, Raphael is poisoned by Soul Edge's taint, lives, Amy brings him back up to speed.
- Zasalamel enacts his plan, using the swords and those who wield them as pawns, combining the swords to perform a ritual, invoking Night Terror.
- Night Terror's rise and fall, banishment back to the Astral Chaos is enough of a disturbance to awaken Algol, who erects the Tower of Remembrance.
- Algol is confronted and defeated, balance is restored as Inferno rises once more and is defeated, this time Soul Calibur is put in check, too.
You say that, but if we aren’t going to repeat the motions as has been claimed, then some or all of these events after Nightmare is defeated may or may not happen. Like if Raphael becomes Nightmare straight off, starting up the SoulCalibur V story intervention proper. Then if Zasalamel’s change of heart modified his goals, then he’d do something else, maybe observe Raphmare and Amiola and then it’s him who is responsible for restoring their identities. Azwel may replace Algol entirely, as you presume. So I wouldn’t necessarily say there’s a lock, either, if you’re expecting diverging, truly.To be fair, most of what you have on that list may well be locked in just so that there are bad guys for the heroes to confront. I'm still holding onto hope that Azwel absorbs the power Algol would have consumed or something like that, but for the most part, I think we're all expecting those story beats you listed.
Not having a time skip is well within my expectations, even if all the story beats remain the same. It’s part of the plan to not have the SoulCalibur V stuff be a flop a second time. Modifying the Alexandra family tragedy as Cassandra wants would be a change, yes, if that happens, but if it does, and then also Raphmare already happens, then who takes up Soul Edge next? Azwel? Tira? Yun-seong? Natsu? It would leave a lot to be expected, the more that is different.If there's no 17-year time jump, though, or Pyrrha isn't kidnapped, or Patrokolos is taken instead of his sister, or Sophitia lives -- well, those are all huge changes even if those other things you listed off still happen.
I believe you point of view when you look at the plot at hand is too concentrated on the plot itself and therefore too limited. You need to consider outside elements as well to get the full picture.She called upon those gods, and they did aid her, but I still got the impression that they were channeled through the weapons, based on the conversation between Cassandra and Sophitia when they put the weapons back in the shrine. It feels like they're some kind of 16th century cell phone. I didn't get the impression that Cassandra will just "have" these powers, moving forward.
Explaining future Cassandra's unstable state of mind by "hundreds if not thousands of jumps" in time is a giant leap of logic with almost no evidence whatsoever. To me it's much more probable that she was simply trapped inside Astral Chaos for years with Sophitia's corpse besides her unable to speak to another human being, probably constantly assaulted by mindless berserkers, maybe even by Sophitia's berserkers at times to add insult to injury. Not to mention how Astral Chaos is where Soul Edge likes to hang around at times, corrupting everything with its evil presense.Also a good point, though if it were that easy, then I'm not sure why Cassandra seems to have struggled so much. She seriously looks to have done hundreds if not thousands of jumps to lose her way and her identity such as she has, it's like she's on her last threads of life. Maybe in the skilled hands of Edge Master, such manipulation is easy, but Cassandra just seems to have had a rough time of it. That, or it's her own stubbornness working against her, that she's tried and failed so many times. Then again, when Patroklos did it, it's like he jumped into his own body and did the actions himself, while with Cassandra, she's an arbiter that has to talk to herself or someone else... there's different machinations at work, on some level.
I would love a chronicle where she fights malfested inside her castle walls right after The Evil Seed, culminating with a fight against her own father, the king of Wolfkrone, who went mad after the incident and had to be knocked out and locked up for good as the result.I know people love Hilde, but would you really want Hilde's re-entry to be a half-hearted Soul Chronicle about her sitting on a throne and watching the action, or seeing her enter the battlefield herself to establish the honor of Wolfkrone?
It’s certainly possible this is true, but I believe the truth is somewhere inbetween. Talim being left out for a second time, much like Zasalamel, I feel like just wasn’t going to happen, since there’s no one who even plays remotely similar to those two. Because they had to include them, if absolutely nothing else, I feel that is what decided on what would have the timeline limitations, and then they designed the rest of the story around that notion.the first part
My interpretation being what it is has to do with her first line, yes, a feeling of exasperation mixed with confusion and asking where she was... this time. I took that to mean she had several failed jumps or not getting where or when she wanted. It could be wrong, sure, but I only am going by my gut feeling to start with any of this, and without evidence to the contrary, I stick with it. It’s like she kept trying to get to this moment, but kept failing, to where she lost her way, and needed to ask for clarification. I don’t know anything about Unbreakable Soul, so that didn't factor into my feelings at all.the second part
If they did that, though, we’ll run into the Tira dilemma, with perhaps even more of a problem. The events you describe would take place all in 1583, so the only story Hilde would be 11 year old Hilde, and I’m not sure if the world is ready for child Hilde. As far as we know, Hilde doesn’t see much if any action between 1583-1590, and that’s assuming she’s involved with apprehending her father in the first place. I still think it best to hold onto Hilde for a proper introduction in SoulCalibur VII.the third part
The unique styles getting top preference thing, though, possibly could throw a sword into my Grøh is Z.W.E.I. theory, though, because they would be throwing away one unique style for another to undergo that transformation, though to a lesser extent, you could argue that getting rid of Amy’s uniqueness is equally a problem to transform her into Viola. The best way to handle this, if that was the plan, would have been to make Viola a literal clone of Amy, that would have allowed us to have both, and not make a sacrifice, but we will seemingly have this problem eventually. We’ll see I guess.
Well in game I mean, Soulcalibur has never really went out of its way to talk about this its always been in the background for players to look at and such, I wouldn't say its exclusive to SCVI. But its possible that some characters potentially have altered ages, I haven't actually focused on this much.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't paid much attention to SCVI's story, but I thought SCVI was explicitly avoiding stating characters' ages.
They could find a way to stick Hilde in regardless. But the stories for these characters like Amy and Talim for example are not their stories. Its more accurately their backstories/prologue.Also too, "as far as we know" Hilde doesn't see much action during these years, but several other characters allegedly weren't active during these years but we got a glimpse of their previously untold activities anyway.
Realistically if they had a bit of fun she could literally just be a non canon bonus character as a way of exposing this game to that sort of thing again, they can even fit in jokes acknowledging that. I prefer Amy by fighting style so much more, but I'd still be playing Viola if they added her and kept her as a bonus at least. They've had the liberty of keeping Siegfrieds Nightmare fighting style exist for so long when it should have stopped long ago, I'm sure they can allow Viola in somehow.Only issue is any games after that.
I agree about wishing Nightmare would adopt the weapon of it's Wielder. I also prefer Amy to Viola, but that should be pretty established by now. That said I have no issue with Viola so long as it doesn't require losing Amy... as for the joke non canon thing... ugh, please no, either have a story or don't, no need to goofy shit.Realistically if they had a bit of fun she could literally just be a non canon bonus character as a way of exposing this game to that sort of thing again, they can even fit in jokes acknowledging that. I prefer Amy by fighting style so much more, but I'd still be playing Viola if they added her and kept her as a bonus at least. They've had the liberty of keeping Siegfrieds Nightmare fighting style exist for so long when it should have stopped long ago, I'm sure they can allow Viola in somehow.
I do hope they drop the big sword Nightmare though, I'd actually like to see souledge follow the change to its wielder rule.
I agree about wishing Nightmare would adopt the weapon of it's Wielder. I also prefer Amy to Viola, but that should be pretty established by now. That said I have no issue with Viola so long as it doesn't require losing Amy... as for the joke non canon thing... ugh, please no, either have a story or don't, no need to goofy shit.
SoulCalibur VI isn’t listing ages, no, but I believe, more than anything else, the reasoning for this is due to the time span of the game lasting for seven years. But the ages are seemingly consistent with SoulCalibur II through SoulCalibur IV, which all take place in the year 1590-1591. Hilde was 18 in SoulCalibur IV, which would make her 11 in 1583.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't paid much attention to SCVI's story, but I thought SCVI was explicitly avoiding stating characters' ages. So I don't know that citing Hilde's age as 11 as a deterrent to her being active in SCVI per the timeline checks out... (???)
Also too, "as far as we know" Hilde doesn't see much action during these years, but several other characters allegedly weren't active during these years but we got a glimpse of their previously untold activities anyway.
It would be weird if she was just flip floppy split personality and just went back and forth at random. Annoying too. But then we get back to that supposition discussion before she was announced where she would use the rapier and then gain the orb for Soul Charge...They can handle the Amy/Viola thing for at least two games by doing a Siggy/Nightmare thing. In one game have Amy for awhile then have her changed into Viola. You now have both styles in that game and it fits the plot, you can even have one of those mental duels between them at some point. Then in the next game it starts with Viola but Amy is eventually freed from the state that created Viola. Bam both characters again. Only issue is any games after that.
Seeing a rapier-using Raphmare would be pretty fantastic!I do hope they drop the big sword Nightmare though, I'd actually like to see souledge follow the change to its wielder rule.
I would have loathed something like that and much preferred just wielding both at the same time.But then we get back to that supposition discussion before she was announced where she would use the rapier and then gain the orb for Soul Charge...
Seeing a rapier-using Raphmare would be pretty fantastic!
Who said anything about flip floppy, and please no giving Amy some stupid random orb summoning gimic when soul charged... talked about an absurd compromise that screws both Amy and Viola fans, giving both half the character...It would be weird if she was just flip floppy split personality and just went back and forth at random. Annoying too. But then we get back to that supposition discussion before she was announced where she would use the rapier and then gain the orb for Soul Charge...
I'd honestly dread this, I'd rather one of them just remains a bonus for non canon appearances, though Amy would probably remain the staying one by story standards I imagine.re-splitting of Amy and Viola could involve some kind of permanent split creating two different people. Thus ending in both Amy and Viola.
My bigger picture argument is that if, at the end of the day, the next game's events happen as follows:
- Siegfried relapses and becomes Nightmare again, creating a new conflict for Soul Calibur to rise up and fight once more.
- Nightmare is defeated, Soul Edge is pierced in the eye by Raphael, Raphael is poisoned by Soul Edge's taint, lives, Amy brings him back up to speed.
- Zasalamel enacts his plan, using the swords and those who wield them as pawns, combining the swords to perform a ritual, invoking Night Terror.
- Night Terror's rise and fall, banishment back to the Astral Chaos is enough of a disturbance to awaken Algol, who erects the Tower of Remembrance.
- Algol is confronted and defeated, balance is restored as Inferno rises once more and is defeated, this time Soul Calibur is put in check, too.
I’ve only seen four of them lol.