Anti-Character Discussion

IMO
fast mid is the first option~


I think jump over it, then BT B+K might work somehow, that will be really lol~ XDDDD
 
either a straight jump or...how bout 236B BT B+K??

but marginal just brought up something. if you jump over lizzy cant he backwards roll into you? and he also has that auto GI from BEHIND. its a very small GI window but that jumping plan could backfire.

Im gonna focus on the fast mid. 4B? 2A can get TJ'd. any other fast mid ideas?

someone else work on the jumping theory
 
guaranteed way to deal with crawl with virtally every character is block a crawl move then 1K. unless you block crawl A+KB it will be guarnateed. weak, but he's out of crawl and there's zero chance of failure, so it's something good to fall back on

even your jump moves and 2A can be GIed so those are decent options but not as solid (though jump move gives great reward)
 
Tiamat said:
guaranteed way to deal with crawl with virtally every character is block a crawl move then 1K. unless you block crawl A+KB it will be guarnateed. weak, but he's out of crawl and there's zero chance of failure, so it's something good to fall back on

even your jump moves and 2A can be GIed so those are decent options but not as solid (though jump move gives great reward)
Click to expand...


wow, its amazing how overly complicated I made this whole thing seem. 1K, i think that would work!! holy crap!!

now voldo has a simular move I call "the worm" can that same theroy be applied there as well?
 
No , excpet that Voldo still playing MC game all around 。。。normally fast poke can easily interrupt MC options.
SC4's voldo don't have solid MC play at all, people switch to BS/CR most of the time.
_________________________________________
====== DOUBLE POST AUTO-MERGE ======
oh wait, I think you are talking about "LandFish' ("the worm") ,right?
yeah,1K do works fine.
 
I'm surprised no one mentioned BT 2K after jumping over Lizzy. :)

And I never seen the Backwards roll have an Auto GI.

I've tried different timings of BT B+K with Maxi and it has always beat Lizzy's Roll cleanly.

Maxi can deal with Lizzy's crawling shenanigans quite easily since he has awesome BT moves when you simply jump over him.

The case is the same for Amy's 236 stance. Maxi can get free BT B+K's on her as well.
 
well, 9K and 2B are complete failures against lizzy's crawl. I'm going to try the jump over or 1K cause Gator totally raped me last night with crawl.
 
Tactu said:
well, 9K and 2B are complete failures against lizzy's crawl. I'm going to try the jump over or 1K cause Gator totally raped me last night with crawl.
Click to expand...

funny you mention GATOR, he raped me with cery last night. my butt is still sore
 
hot_rod_dave said:
i need help with lizardmans crawl bullshit. First off to deal with a lizardman that is constantly hacking at my ankles is a bitch to deal with. Online makes it worse. I know everyone reading this is thinking "just 2a him" but as soon as he sees that im crouching for the 2a i get a flip to the head. And lizardmans "constant hacking at ankles" move has a slightly longer reach the my 2a.

A+b, 4a+b, work fine so long as im at mid range, but when he is right at my feet, i usually eat quite a bit till he stands up again.


Help!!!
Click to expand...

1b, iirc. .
 
i had to google what iirc meant, im still confused but:

1b would fine so long as maxis balls are dangling very close to lizzy. other than that its gonna whiff. tiamats 1k theroy has been best so far. and aqua's idea for BT K, would be fine if i could consistanly jump over lizzy......lol
 
I would cut me off by blocking what I do to go into crawl. 1[K], 4[B+K] and 44[K] are my favorites. If those hit and I transition into crawl I usually get at least free LC A and then shenanigans start. If those moves are blocked from the beginning you would be at advantage to knock me out of crawl before I can even start doing any crawl shit.
 
Dealing with Crawl is not too difficult if you understand it or you observe how the player is using it.

You can step everything but the lows. CR A+K is very short ranged, so he won't use that often. IF CR A hits you can step everything, if eh does repeated CR A, do low GI. I like to step him and do 4BBK on his side/back. CR B is VERY unsafe.

A+BG works fine but it won't interrupt repeated CR As.
 
went home for lunch and played with that 1K and 1B theroy. they work like a charm. block 1 or 2 and then let em have it!!!

now that fox told me what to recognize (hahaha) for LM to get into LC in the first place. I will learn to recognize those first. but the LC A shenanigans can tricky, hopefully I wont let LM get that far LOL
 
1B and 2B should work well against crawl UNLESS they are good with using the auto-GI, because that will parry mid attacks (and 2As). That's why I specifically said 1K.

also, if you can't recognize him going into crawl you're gonna have big problems.
 
Tiamat said:
1B and 2B should work well against crawl UNLESS they are good with using the auto-GI, because that will parry mid attacks (and 2As). That's why I specifically said 1K.

also, if you can't recognize him going into crawl you're gonna have big problems.
Click to expand...

i think that was my biggest problem is not being able to recognize him getting into crawl. But 1k is perfect. even 1b works perfect. probablly better frame wise.
are there any other moves other than what fox said that get him into crawl?
 
Hey, Tiamat
Just did some test on 1K.
It doesn't work all the time, LC B can always jump over it.

on Block LCB+K(B+1)> LC B beat 1K(2K FCK)
LC K>LC B beat
44[K] >LC B beat
4[B+K]>LC B beat
_________________________________________
====== DOUBLE POST AUTO-MERGE ======
Hot_Rod_Dave said:
i think that was my biggest problem is not being able to recognize him getting into crawl. But 1k is perfect. even 1b works perfect. probablly better frame wise.
are there any other moves other than what fox said that get him into crawl?
Click to expand...



236> Lizard crawl
 
Fiendchi said:
Hey, Tiamat
Just did some test on 1K.
It doesn't work all the time, LC B can always jump over it.

on Block LCB+K(B+1)> LC B beat 1K(2K FCK)
LC K>LC B beat
44[K] >LC B beat
4[B+K]>LC B beat
_________________________________________
====== DOUBLE POST AUTO-MERGE ======




236> Lizard crawl
Click to expand...

There is also 33A iirc, but that move sucks and i never use it. i don't see a lot of other LM players use it either.

1 B+K G does it too, but its risky for the LM player and very easily identified.

i used to go into crawl manually a lot with 236, but not anymore, i don't know why. it is a good transition though.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back