Soul Calibur V Assets from San Diego Comic-Con!

In preparation for the upcoming Namco Fighting Games Panel at the San Diego Comic Con (the countdown on the front of 8WR is currently counting down till the panel); Namco has released some new assets and character artwork which confirm Ivy, as well as a stage without ringouts.

The most stunning of all this is that the male character silhouette that Daishi leaked to us last week is not Raphael, which I'm sure most of us assumed, but is instead a new character named "Zwei" (German for "two"). He also appears to be holding his sword in a "tonfa-like" fashion.

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[source: Veg's Corner]
 
Jason Axelrod

Jason Axelrod

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1st I just want to say I LUV 8way, best fan Site. These pics are so awesome, Im guessing Zwei might be HUNTING down Raphael (Maybe he is a Vampire slayer, his weapon is in the shape of a cross?)

The new TAKI, I don't know. (Did Taki hook up with a white dude lol)

New IVY is gorgeous!

Both stages are what I wanted, 1: Endless and 2: and Arena!
 
You play Hilde and are complaining about ring-outs. I've never seen a bigger case of "pot calling the kettle black" in my entire life. There is a reason she is banned from competitive play.

-Idle
Lol, I like hilde because of the character. The style ties in itself. It's not MY fault her best guaranteed combos ring out 95% of the time, now is it?
 
Wow, not much consensus here, people liking anywhere from zero to all of the new assets. My 2c:

1) Natsu - name is fine. Large artwork and in-game shots reveal even more girly details, lots of sparkles, feathers, but I agree that the skinsuit looks pretty featureless. Ultimately, I think she’s ok as a character design but I’m going to miss Taki unless the roster features a new badass babe. Still waiting on the voice / personality / backstory.

2) Ivy - wow, they somehow managed to cover her up more while keeping her looking scandalous. Wish she had new hair, but ultimately they did right with this outfit. No complaints.

3) Zwei - stupid name, decent concept art if a little too "1990s-cool.” The 3D render makes two subtle but crucial mistakes: they made the lips too full and pouty (ew) and the nose too bulbous. Anyway, liking the moon theme, the weapon style might be fun, and they jury is still out on the werewolf possibilities; I’d prefer they keep the obvious design inspiration just that, an inspiration, and not go full-out with a transformation (kind of how they handled Raph’s apparent vampirism).

4) New stages - good enough. The moonlit field looks pretty much like the kind of stage I was asking for - natural, moody lighting, possible infinite stage, etc. Colosseum has a nice oval shape.

In this round of updates, I have to say I don’t really love anything. It’s all fine and good but I liked Sig/Mitsu/Pat/Pyr better. Hoping that the next round of reveals contains something more exciting for me, and still looking forward to more gameplay vids.
 
2) Ivy - wow, they somehow managed to cover her up more while keeping her looking scandalous. Wish she had new hair, but ultimately they did right with this outfit. No complaints.
I love that haircut on Ivy. No matter how many female custom hairdos I've tried, nothing looks decent on Ivy. The only other hairstyle I've liked is her SC4 concept art when she's in the purple dress-looking thing. It's surprisingly fitting for her, but all previous 2P/custom hair looks really awkward on her.
 
Two faults noticed:
1.) Tatsu's art has long, pink-tipped sparkle nails, her 3D doesn't, which is ..okay, but they make her look more like a cutsie teen.
2.) Ivy's left hand is in the same position for both pictures...
 
Yes you're right, that's exactly what I'm saying. The point in my saying it is to communicate across the barrier what both sides of this are getting at.

My theory is that if you say something along the lines of 'this is why it seems like that, and yes there's a point, but its irrelevant to their gameplay being different', people might work through the whole 'they're clones, how can you even deny it?!' thing.

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Also, I'd totally cop to the 'well, actually...' habit, that annoying nerdy tendency to 'precision'. Because they are clones :p
This is not your best-written post ever; it’s a bit ambiguous what you even mean.

I have no wish to get embroiled in whatever this discussion is about, but I think if you both want it to be productive then you need to agree on what a clone is in the context of Soul Calibur. I would have considered a clone to copy over the majority, or at least a significant plurality, of one character’s moveset to another’s. 3-5 moves don’t count. This being a fighting game, the gameplay mechanics are the most significant aspect of a character with respect to functional redundancy in the roster.

For what it’s worth, I can play as Amy and have a sense of what I’m doing and why; the same cannot be said for Raphael, because the majority of their moves are quite different. Their effective strategies are very different. Their appearance is (obviously) different, even if vampiric gothic lolita girl and vampiric victorian fencer guy are more similar than, say, Astaroth and Yoda. Their fighting aesthetic is similarly separate, even if it is closer in style than that of some other characters.

What I’m trying to say is, in English the word “clone” denotes a much greater sense of identicalness than the mere similarities exhibited by Amy/Raph. Rock/Asta are closer, but I’d still not rely on clone as the appropriate description.

If however you are merely using the word clone merely to mean “derivative,” then yes, these characters have an undeniable basis in each other.
 
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I love that haircut on Ivy. No matter how many female custom hairdos I've tried, nothing looks decent on Ivy. The only other hairstyle I've liked is her SC4 concept art when she's in the purple dress-looking thing. It's surprisingly fitting for her, but all previous 2P/custom hair looks really awkward on her.
Do you mean this image? I’ve always loved this look and hoped they’d include it as a 2p costume.
ivy.jpg
 
Gabe: To me, a clone means a character that started primarily based on another character, even ones that have substantially diverged in the meantime.

So examples would be:
Astaroth/Rock
X/Hwang
Killik/Mina
One sister/the Other sister/Lizardman
Raphael/Amy
All of the style-based guest characters
Cervantes/Pre-Edgemaster style Inferno

I'd specifically not count Yoshimitsu (he was pretty different from the start)

There are even more examples if you want to go outside SC and into Tekken as well :p

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In the case of this discussion their origins are relevant because the move sets often still appear extremely similar, leading to people thinking the characters must play the same... or for that matter people that only played SC2 when the characters were substantially more similar than they are now.

So, the goal is to illustrate to people that think they're the same how they've become different, while at the same time reminding people on the other side why people think that way.
 
wow! ivy's covered up for a change! i love the new outfit especially the new gauntlet. (the segments and the needle-tipped hands are great).

i'm a little on the fence about zwei. he looks ok, but his fighting style leaves a lot to the imagination (who the hell holds a sword like that?! interesting nonetheless)
 
Do you mean this image? I’ve always loved this look and hoped they’d include it as a 2p costume.
ivy.jpg
Yes, that one! I love that one, though they'll most-likely have to do a different color.. She's had way too much purple clothing. :x
The only thing that bugs me about it is how the hair curls around her face.
 
People confused about the story -

Nobody said that one of the endings in SCIV had to be canonical. Not only that, but if we're going to go off of the videos, Siegfried AND Sophitia's should be canon.

So pretty much - you can't get confused and wonder if Namco will make sense of it. None of us are sure what happened in the end of IV. For all we know, Talim got bit by raphael and is now a vampire-priestess who is the main baddie of the series. Do I think that will happen? Nah. But is it within the realm of possibility? Yeah.
In other words, the endings doesn't matter one single bit? The only substantial piece of storyline we see in the games which isn't pure text, doesn't matter?

I'm not trying to argue you or anything, but that just goes to show more that the storyline is pretty much meaningless fluff.
 
In other words, the endings doesn't matter one single bit? The only substantial piece of storyline we see in the games which isn't pure text, doesn't matter?

I'm not trying to argue you or anything, but that just goes to show more that the storyline is pretty much meaningless fluff.

That's pretty much how it goes with fighters. Canon endings are never the exact same. Only story modes that work like BB:CSs really have set endings. And considering the endings for SCIV for the main characters pretty much ended the series... Well, I'm not sure you can call anything matter.
 
Didn't every character find what they were looking for in SC4?
The only character I can think of that didn't is Ivy 'cause she almost got killed by Soul Calibur.
 

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