Guys,
how can Astaroth have any bad MUs besides Aplha, Algol, Mitsu and cervantes ?
People don't know how to play against astaroth?
Thats bc there IS no real way to play against him, you either guess right or die.
Just grab, GB, whiffpunish and win. With his GB dmg you get at least 1 free round, sometimes even 2.
Seriously this character is so good, how can you act like he is bad?
With his GB, throws and general dmg, it's really hard to give him bad or even MUs.
I don't think its 5:5 for Ivy either.
Do you even know that her FC1B doesn't work against him?
Her 4A combo doesn't work? Or that 3B doesn't combo at close range and only from left side?
Or that he rapes Whip? His zoning is also better (although thats not a fact)?
Better RO & wall game. He beats Ivy backstep with 6B, 66K and 4A easily?
How about his throw range (they seem to have extra range on ivy) and dmg, even his A-Throw does more dmg than ivys 3B combo and it's so easy to land.
What about his 6B? it's so much better than Ivys CH 3B. Oh Ivy you wanna spamm 3B? Say hello to 22B BE. What about 66K BE for 1000 dmg? This also makes Ivy 3B and antistep attempts really dangerous.
His CE has more range more dmg +RO +wall. His meter gain? did i mention his guard break dmg? Astaroth also has 4B which helps him a lot at close, Force crouch, hit ogt, good advantage. 6A is good too.
It's not even just because Ivy has pokes. This is not enough. You can't just poke asta and win (unless you're mitsu), you have you take big risks and the mixups are always in astas favor.
With your logic Leixia would be a bad MU for astaroth bc she can press buttons all day.
There is so much (and more) you just ignore.
If you want to discuss the general MU strategy, please let me know.
Im not saying it's NEVER 5:5 , i just don't see it right now.
+ Algol is overrated
I'd say 6:4 for Algol.
Well your main mixup of 3B / throws is very strong against Astaroth since 3B 6B8 is a natural on him. That's still a big thing to take in count IMO.
As for the TC issue, 1K isnt a bad example =)
Plus, you can use some iFC1B. Btw, that's quite a throw punishment you have here !
I cant see an advantage for Astaroth in this MU, really.
3B often whiffs if you try it at close range, so it doesn't always work well with the throw mixup.
It also doesn't combo at range always.
As i said FC1B doesn't work either, so her REAL main mixup tool doesn't even bother Astaroth.
It only punishes throws if you run in Ivys face and grab her, but with his Throw range you don't need to do that, so if you play smart you will avoid the FC1B punish.
Anyways, i don't really care about MU numbers, since at the end it doesn't matter, you have to play against those chars anyway. It's good for peoples ego though, you can always use it as an excuse.
But if we are doing it, we should do it right.
