Davo87
[09] Warrior
Cass vs. CL 214
What about your 6B?
What about your 6B?
Ivy Match-ups and Anti-Character strategies
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Cass vs. CL 214
thx for info ! next time i'll try 6B, I often forget this move, actually I have a tendancy to not use most highs apart from AA (and amy's 6BB) because people duck so much on me...
btw were you talking about her butt jump 44B+K ? (4B+K has OK range too, but not so much). i'll try vs. my ivy offline opponent, ask him to use CL 214 (which he nearly never does)
it's so funny posting on this forum from playstation browser
thx for info ! next time i'll try 6B, I often forget this move, actually I have a tendancy to not use most highs apart from AA (and amy's 6BB) because people duck so much on me...
btw were you talking about her butt jump 44B+K ? (4B+K has OK range too, but not so much). i'll try vs. my ivy offline opponent, ask him to use CL 214 (which he nearly never does)
it's so funny posting on this forum from playstation browser
ZDamned
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Cass vs. CL 214
6B on block is free...
But C'mon Ivy's! Why are we helping people beat us?!?!?!
6B on block is free...
But C'mon Ivy's! Why are we helping people beat us?!?!?!
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Alright, I'm on a mission to defend myself, and overcome Ivy's biggest (IMHO) Weakness. A heavy punishment character.
Sophy as we all know can basically have a field day fighting against Ivy. She has good spacing, safe attacks, strong lows, and a deadly SAFE good range i14 mid.
I want everyone to help me out here as best as you all can. Angrel-San and I at the Atlanta Regional both went up against, and lost to the same Sophy player. Angrel and I are quite possibly the most different Ivy players possible, we both favor the opposite stance, and play flat out with such a different game plan, it's night and day. Neither of us were able to beat the Sophy trading hits, and being flashy.
What do all of you do to fight against Sophy on a high tournament level?
---Disclaimer--
I WILL be very quick to ask for reasoning, and I will give my opinion of what advice is offered, but in no way should anyone take my replies as an insult to you as a player, nor is it me being ungrateful for the time you took to discuss this. I want to work with everyone to come up with viable strategies, and solid moves to use against Sophitia.
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Sophy as we all know can basically have a field day fighting against Ivy. She has good spacing, safe attacks, strong lows, and a deadly SAFE good range i14 mid.
I want everyone to help me out here as best as you all can. Angrel-San and I at the Atlanta Regional both went up against, and lost to the same Sophy player. Angrel and I are quite possibly the most different Ivy players possible, we both favor the opposite stance, and play flat out with such a different game plan, it's night and day. Neither of us were able to beat the Sophy trading hits, and being flashy.
What do all of you do to fight against Sophy on a high tournament level?
---Disclaimer--
I WILL be very quick to ask for reasoning, and I will give my opinion of what advice is offered, but in no way should anyone take my replies as an insult to you as a player, nor is it me being ungrateful for the time you took to discuss this. I want to work with everyone to come up with viable strategies, and solid moves to use against Sophitia.
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Nofacekill3r
[11] Champion
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Sadly, there were no videos taken of the matches between Suirad (The Sophy) and Angrel or Myself. I'll do my best to supply some in the future, but basically, think of a player who knows ALL of the Frame data for every move Ivy had, and such.
Sadly, there were no videos taken of the matches between Suirad (The Sophy) and Angrel or Myself. I'll do my best to supply some in the future, but basically, think of a player who knows ALL of the Frame data for every move Ivy had, and such.
Davo87
[09] Warrior
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Okay, very general pts as a starter and bite the bullet:
Fight outside her 236AA range and beware what moves get TAS (twin angel stepped). Be very cautious of 236236 B and to not get hit by it at its maxrange.
http://www.8wayrun.com/f40/sophitia-tas-fc-as-tech-crouch-super-t2112/
Just look at how many moves TAS can go under other chars.
EDIT: some one needs to make a list of ivy's moves in this thread.
Okay, very general pts as a starter and bite the bullet:
Fight outside her 236AA range and beware what moves get TAS (twin angel stepped). Be very cautious of 236236 B and to not get hit by it at its maxrange.
http://www.8wayrun.com/f40/sophitia-tas-fc-as-tech-crouch-super-t2112/
Just look at how many moves TAS can go under other chars.
EDIT: some one needs to make a list of ivy's moves in this thread.
IvyFanboy
[11] Champion
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
When dealing with a punisher play the SG game. SW 3B, SW FC 3B, SW 1_2_3B+K, CL 3B, CL 6B, CL WS B, CL 33_99bB. Mix those in with a few 2As and watch that bar get raped in the block hit block hit flow. I have to do this against turtles all the time and once they go red keep them there, try not to CS too early if they have lead. With them in red they'll open up more.
Play ultra safe, No CL A+B shenanigans or Hail mary WP 1Bs (AWESTRUCK!!! I see you!). It wont take long to see flashing red with a good ivy.
When dealing with a punisher play the SG game. SW 3B, SW FC 3B, SW 1_2_3B+K, CL 3B, CL 6B, CL WS B, CL 33_99bB. Mix those in with a few 2As and watch that bar get raped in the block hit block hit flow. I have to do this against turtles all the time and once they go red keep them there, try not to CS too early if they have lead. With them in red they'll open up more.
Play ultra safe, No CL A+B shenanigans or Hail mary WP 1Bs (AWESTRUCK!!! I see you!). It wont take long to see flashing red with a good ivy.
Woahhzz
[09] Warrior
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
I have to agree that sophie is one of Ivy's toughest matchups, her AA/BB is crazy and her TAS B is crazy
In regionals, I lost to MTFighter's sophie.. TWICE, then I lost to him again in the April monthly, and I lost to Ramon's Sophie in the same tourney...
But I've been playing against her alot, and one thing is NEVER ATTACK IF SHE HITS YOU WITH certain moves ^^
I have to agree that sophie is one of Ivy's toughest matchups, her AA/BB is crazy and her TAS B is crazy
In regionals, I lost to MTFighter's sophie.. TWICE, then I lost to him again in the April monthly, and I lost to Ramon's Sophie in the same tourney...
But I've been playing against her alot, and one thing is NEVER ATTACK IF SHE HITS YOU WITH certain moves ^^
Suirad
[10] Knight
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Don't worry I'll get to it eventually. This tends not to be that big a sticking point though because floating TAS can be somewhat dangerous if you try to use it frequently.
Don't worry I'll get to it eventually. This tends not to be that big a sticking point though because floating TAS can be somewhat dangerous if you try to use it frequently.
Felix007
[09] Warrior
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
What mid are you referring to? The only two mids I know of that Sophie contains is 22K (which is -8) and 236B (which is -17+). I'm assuming you're referring to the latter, which certainly isn't safe, and can be punished easily with SW 6B9K. You could also take a free throw attempt or buffer iCS/SS if you can successfully bait it.
ZDamned said:
What mid are you referring to? The only two mids I know of that Sophie contains is 22K (which is -8) and 236B (which is -17+). I'm assuming you're referring to the latter, which certainly isn't safe, and can be punished easily with SW 6B9K. You could also take a free throw attempt or buffer iCS/SS if you can successfully bait it.
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Actually 236236 B is safe, has more range, and does far more damage.
Actually 236236 B is safe, has more range, and does far more damage.
neoghaleon
[99] The Cow
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
you guys should watch Ring's Tourney videos
that one where he fought a sophie for 9 or so matches in a row and ended up winning the tournament...
...yea, that one gave me hope
XD
you guys should watch Ring's Tourney videos
that one where he fought a sophie for 9 or so matches in a row and ended up winning the tournament...
...yea, that one gave me hope
XD
Ring
Lay still now
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
I was lucky there.
Sophie has only two weaknesess imo: shitty throw range and lack of good lows (except 1K). Ivy's moveset should be very limited in this matchup. "Play safe" and.. don't use CL 214B unless you want to loose half of your life after double 236236B lol, WP use should be limited as well, unless you know what are you doing. You can own Sophie's 11A,A_[A] with WP A+B everytime, even on hit.
I was lucky there.
Sophie has only two weaknesess imo: shitty throw range and lack of good lows (except 1K). Ivy's moveset should be very limited in this matchup. "Play safe" and.. don't use CL 214B unless you want to loose half of your life after double 236236B lol, WP use should be limited as well, unless you know what are you doing. You can own Sophie's 11A,A_[A] with WP A+B everytime, even on hit.
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
I need some good counters to her risk taker moves, so when I see something hasty come out, I can hit her back. I'm sure playing safe is the ONLY way to fight her, since we have what is it.... 1 Tech Trap?
I can honestly say I have never felt so feeble against a character before either. Even baiting a 236b gets me hit back fo rusing an evasive attack, since she can tie on hit with 214b. Anyone know of a counter for a blocked 236236aa ?
Thats some of what I like to hear!
I need some good counters to her risk taker moves, so when I see something hasty come out, I can hit her back. I'm sure playing safe is the ONLY way to fight her, since we have what is it.... 1 Tech Trap?
I can honestly say I have never felt so feeble against a character before either. Even baiting a 236b gets me hit back fo rusing an evasive attack, since she can tie on hit with 214b. Anyone know of a counter for a blocked 236236aa ?
Yamaki
[09] Warrior
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Well, we don't have many Ivy players here in Brazil (there are two, but I haven't faced them) so I can only give some general strats:
TAS B is safe but you need to buffer the fist 236, so if you are playing defensive you should be able to see it coming and try to GI or step (in fact she is really weak against step overall)
against TAS A it is -14 and almost no1 use only the first A (-20), besides jumping or GI people usually try a throw after they block (but beware it's possible to duck after it, so you should mix throw with mids)
1A,A is really unsafe (and slow)... you can easily throw after that... same with 4AAA
I hope that helps... and Ramon, MTFighter, Suirad and other sophie players don't get mad at me T.T
Well, we don't have many Ivy players here in Brazil (there are two, but I haven't faced them) so I can only give some general strats:
TAS B is safe but you need to buffer the fist 236, so if you are playing defensive you should be able to see it coming and try to GI or step (in fact she is really weak against step overall)
against TAS A it is -14 and almost no1 use only the first A (-20), besides jumping or GI people usually try a throw after they block (but beware it's possible to duck after it, so you should mix throw with mids)
1A,A is really unsafe (and slow)... you can easily throw after that... same with 4AAA
I hope that helps... and Ramon, MTFighter, Suirad and other sophie players don't get mad at me T.T
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
I play Suirad more than I like to admit, we sort of face off in just about every tourney we enter. I'm sure he would enjoy a more challenging fight against my only character.
I play Suirad more than I like to admit, we sort of face off in just about every tourney we enter. I'm sure he would enjoy a more challenging fight against my only character.
Ring
Lay still now
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
236236B can be done so fast that it's hard to react in time.
WP A+B works VS:
11A,A_[A]
236AA
236236AA
How to play against 11A,A_[A] in each stance: the most important part is to react when you see her jumping in the air. 11A is not that hard to block, but when it actually hits you (in SW/CL) things gets worse because she has advantage and you can only block or GI.
SW - if you block the 11A, IMMEDIATELY do SW 4B (it's the only move that will hit her in the air) and then CL 4B, SW 214K. Instant 75 dmg. If you block 11A,A punish it with SW 1K.
CL - 214B in between if you block 11A.
WP - WP A+B everytime. Doesn't matter if you get hit by 11A or something. It will always beat Sophie. Btw it's not that easy as it sounds. When you actually block 11A then you need to stand up before you can use WP A+B, otherwise you will WS A+B. Practice that.
Against 236236AA, step the second A in CL/SW. In WP, you can WPA+B on reaction to aGI 2nd A for 40dmg. It's the best option, because WP has some very slow step... try to step TAS AA in CL/SW and then in WP.
Oh and btw.. She can 236236B under CL A+B,A... O_o so even though "A" doesn't whiff on Sophie, she can go under it and punish you for 80dmg.
236236B can be done so fast that it's hard to react in time.
WP A+B works VS:
11A,A_[A]
236AA
236236AA
How to play against 11A,A_[A] in each stance: the most important part is to react when you see her jumping in the air. 11A is not that hard to block, but when it actually hits you (in SW/CL) things gets worse because she has advantage and you can only block or GI.
SW - if you block the 11A, IMMEDIATELY do SW 4B (it's the only move that will hit her in the air) and then CL 4B, SW 214K. Instant 75 dmg. If you block 11A,A punish it with SW 1K.
CL - 214B in between if you block 11A.
WP - WP A+B everytime. Doesn't matter if you get hit by 11A or something. It will always beat Sophie. Btw it's not that easy as it sounds. When you actually block 11A then you need to stand up before you can use WP A+B, otherwise you will WS A+B. Practice that.
Against 236236AA, step the second A in CL/SW. In WP, you can WPA+B on reaction to aGI 2nd A for 40dmg. It's the best option, because WP has some very slow step... try to step TAS AA in CL/SW and then in WP.
Oh and btw.. She can 236236B under CL A+B,A... O_o so even though "A" doesn't whiff on Sophie, she can go under it and punish you for 80dmg.
ZDamned
The cake is a Lie!!!
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
Anyway, from the sounds of it, Sword is more than likely going to be the primary stance for this match up. You said blocking 11A, 4b is the only attack that can hit, or is it the only one that can combo for good damage?
That's just scary as hell.
Anyway, from the sounds of it, Sword is more than likely going to be the primary stance for this match up. You said blocking 11A, 4b is the only attack that can hit, or is it the only one that can combo for good damage?
Ring
Lay still now
Ivy Vs. Sophitia!
CL is also pretty good. I think Sword has the best launcher (22_88B) for Sophie, because its recovery on block varies on different range. It's -13~14, so Sophie player will think twice before using 236B.
CL is also pretty good. I think Sword has the best launcher (22_88B) for Sophie, because its recovery on block varies on different range. It's -13~14, so Sophie player will think twice before using 236B.
It's the only one that can combo. When you block 11A, every attack up to i16 will hit Sophie but.. you're in FC, so the choice is very limited =/ it comes down to 6K.