Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Crash X

[14] Master
I just disagree with Dante wanting to take away fanservice that’s signature to the series just because she personally doesn’t like it. I mean, she even cited Mi-na as though it were an objectively bad costume when it fits her character and is seen as her best by many.

I think she needs to accept fanservice will always be a thing, especially in SC, and stop complaining about it. It’s not going away, and I’m sure she’ll say “b-but SCV!”. That game sucked and is ancient history by this point. There’s a reason they ditched Daishi’s direction the moment they could. SCVI is NOT an “outlier” for its fanservice, it’s the norm for it.

I don’t want the SC girls removed again, nor do I want them to somehow get flat chests just to please the vocal minority who don’t like it. Okubo said this in regards to the female cast when asked: “We’re staying true to the female characters as they were intended to be.”

Of course, there’s the fact that it’s part of his “visually appealing” philosophy, and that he doesn’t care about a vocal minority who will only complain about it. Removing fanservice would only hurt the appeal, and no one would go “Great! They removed the sexiness, now I’m gonna buy the game!”. Dante still bought SCVI, sexiness and all, so...

Again, Okubo had to deal with interviews telling him to his face about the “problematic” designs, and articles shaming them. Guess what? SCVI turned out successful, compared to DOA6 taking in the “gaming journalist” criticism and flopping.

Tbh, I can’t believe we’re still fighting about this.
IMO, the Mi-na outfits ranked best to worst:

1) SoulCalibur III 2p
2) SoulCalibur 1p
3) SoulCalibur II 2p
4) SoulCalibur IV 1p
5) SoulBlade 1p
6) SoulCalibur II 1p
7) SoulCalibur II 3p
8) SoulCalibur 2p
9) SoulCalibur III 1p
10) SoulBlade 2p
11) SoulCalibur IV 2p
12) SoulCalibur VI
13) SoulBlade 3p

You'll notice I do rank those showing skin higher than others not showing skin a fair number of times, too. Her SoulCalibur VI outfit is just awkward, though it still comes across better than that tacky mess that was her 3p from SoulBlade. It might not have had underboob, but whoever decided that monstrosity was acceptable needs to go back to fashion school. You'll also note I ranked the underboob from Soulcalibur IV quite high at number four. It's not the underboob in and of itself that I don't like, but the way it's presented. As a rule, undersized bikinis just look ridiculous. The free-flowing tied loose top looked fine and natural, by comparison.

@Nyte: Just for the record, as I've said before and you've neglected to read or understand, I am simply stating my opinions. I present nothing as consensus or fact. That's your own reading into what I'm saying the way you want to take it since it opposes your own view, from my perspective. You seem duty-bound to take offense instead of even attempting to see it the way others see it. Not just in this, but anything debated anywhere when you're involved.
@Nyte: You're taking it to the other extreme, though. No one, not even myself, is asking for no boobs or literally head to toe covering. If you can't see the vast different design-wise between SoulCalibur IV and SoulCalibur VI when compared to the rest of the series, then I can't help you, but there is a marked difference, and it's not necessary to the success of the franchise, in my opinion of course, for them to go to such lengths. They didn't need it up through SoulCalibur III, and they don't need it now.
Perhaps you should just re-read these posts from Dante before even thinking like that. Plus it’s just her opinion that you can’t seem to just agree to disagree on and constantly put down her opinions on trivial issues any chance you get.
 
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Starringrole

[09] Warrior
I'd really rather the developers don't worry themselves over making things sexy or conservative. Just make it match the character and look nice above all else, you can do that whilst being sexy or conservative.

I'm not going to be mad at sexy Siegfried/Taki or even the conservative take on them as long as they look good and fitting too.
Just don't see the big deal on lacking sex appeal or being too sexy. That being said, in certain cases there's a limit to both ends of it I'd say.

Its annoying when a character like Ivy looses it (due to complaints for something inferior) since well... Its pretty much largely associated with her, but its not to say she can't have alternate fitting looks too that happen to be more conservative whilst looking just as good.
 

Rusted Blade

[13] Hero
@FluffyQuack How a bout a "My mind probably noticed Hilde's boobplate and vaguely classified it as silly, and was then prepared to never again take note of the feature in the crazy sea of wild Soulcalibur design, for the rest of my life. Only then a few guys got histrionic over the very notion that other people might find boobplate cheesy, and I personally find that vastly more stupid, regardless of any underlying problems with the design, or a lack thereof." option?

Man if you guys have this much of a problem with Hilde, I’m gonna get the popcorn ready when it’s time for Setsuka’s reveal...
You are unceasingly mischaracterizing the opinion of those other persons, for the sake of putting up a strawman opponent you can easily knock down and ridicule, rather than your actual rhetorical opponents, whose real opinions and arguments you never engage with. Virtually everyone here has said they like Hilde's design, and of those who haven't expressly said it, I can't recall a single person who said they didn't like it. Stop trying to make this into something it is not because you believe in some kind of vast insidious plot to sanitize games in the name of "wokeness" and you think they are coming after the bustlines of your favourite digital doll collection in this game next. Nobody is asserting opinions vaguely like those you are attributing to them.

People like and don't like the design (or have mixed feelings about it) for a variety of reasons, and their not liking one feature that you happen to adore doesn't make them enemies of the game or of reason. Or even of "sexyness" or however you want to label it. You are not the arbiter of any of those things. No one here elected you to be and its tedious that we have hear about "PC culture gone mad" every time someone happens to dislike something titty-oriented that you love the shit out of. We get it: you like that stuff. And you think that "sex sells". Oh wow, what an insight--never occurred to the rest of us that it might have an impact on a fighting game's design. Your opinion on those matters is now very much an established part of public record in this community.

But please stop trying to dress people up as moral crusaders any and every time they have the slightest criticism of the design that you don't approve of. When you absolutely must comment on these things (and hint: that number is less than any time someone else on the board comments on the nature of female design), please try to keep the tone from sounding so aggressive and needlessly inflammatory. I'm going to join numerous others here who have said, in some form or another over the last few days and months: "Please take it down a notch or ten." We're all here to have over-sized opinions about mostly very small things: that's the nature of the place, granted. But 110% confrontation on everything you disapprove of is just a bit much. It makes fights out of things we mostly agree on.
 
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SkyRaisin

[07] Duelist
Back on the subject of character speaks native tongue, I wonder if Haohmaru will be the first character to do so, or if he will have an English voice actor.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Back on the subject of character speaks native tongue, I wonder if Haohmaru will be the first character to do so, or if he will have an English voice actor.
Geralt didn’t have a Japanese voice actor before SoulCalibur VI, so I imagine the opposite will be true for Haohmaru.
 

Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
Perhaps you should just re-read these posts from Dante before even thinking like that. Plus it’s just her opinion that you can’t seem to just agree to disagree on and constantly put down her opinions on trivial issues any chance you get.
I know full well what she said. I hate how she always praises SCV, which is becoming a thorn to me. SCV's legacy is that it nearly killed the series, Okubo even saying as much, and she acts like it was worth keeping around. I know full well how anti-fanservice she is. I'm not "strawmanning", she outright said that she wants the fanservice scaled back just for her benefit. That ain't happening.

But yes, it seems we'll never reach an agreement so dragging this out is becoming tiresome.
 

Dissidia

Premium Member
It's because of SoulCalibur 5 that we are being tortured to this day.

We could have been on SoulCalibur 7 or 8 by now if that game didn't make the choices it did.

"Hurr durr I've got a small budget but I'll cut half the characters out and replace them with brand new models when it's more cost and time efficient to just keep everyone and build off it for sequel"

Because of Soul Calibur 5, Lizardman, Rock, Hwang, Yun-seong, Dampierre and Algol etc may never be in Soul Calibur 6. Many of these characters have been gone for over 10 years. We deserve them back!

(This is the nightmare scenario where Viola is the 4th slot and there is no Season 3)
 

mokamoka827

[13] Hero
I know full well what she said. I hate how she always praises SCV, which is becoming a thorn to me. SCV's legacy is that it nearly killed the series, Okubo even saying as much, and she acts like it was worth keeping around. I know full well how anti-fanservice she is. I'm not "strawmanning", she outright said that she wants the fanservice scaled back just for her benefit. That ain't happening.

But yes, it seems we'll never reach an agreement so dragging this out is becoming tiresome.
Generally, the most praise for SCV that I've seen from Dante are purely design-based. And even if that wasn't the case, getting as enraged as you do at her for saying anything positive about SC5 is real fucking childish.

And you act as though she's harrassing the devs and loudly compaigning for Soulcalibur to scale back the fanservice when all she's doing is innocuously stating that she wishes they'd do that.

Just do everyone a favor. Stop being a petulant brat crying about the Evil SJWs and stop picking fights with people only to later proclaim how "tiring" it is that an argument YOU started has gone on for so long. It'll make this hellsite a lot more bearable.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
Hard pills to swallow: Not everything about SoulCalibur V was bad.

I realize, as well as anyone should, that SoulCalibur V very nearly maybe killed the series. But it wasn’t entirely the game’s fault, either. Who knows what the experience might have been if the natural disasters didn’t disrupt development, the game had been completed, and also was given post-launch support? We may never, but I believe it would have been looked upon far more favorably than what actually happened.

But we can’t forget that SoulCalibur V brought us a competent online system that actually worked, including the pretty amazing and sadly left out of SoulCalibur VI mode Global Colloseo, arguably the best incarnation of the series’ character customization to date, which SoulCalibur VI copied practically wholesale, and it also brought some movesets (and to be clear, before the anti-Patroklos and pro-Taki armies come down on me, I’m only talking movesets, not characters) that people are even begging to come back now, in dual axe Aeon, Viola, Patroklos, Natsu, and to a lesser extent, Z.W.E.I., though obviously it would need to be much improved if they brought his back.

There are likely more bad things than good things in SoulCalibur V, and I’ve never disputed that. But the good should be preserved, which it feels very much like, for the most part, Project Soul is attempting to do. The future is wild and unpredictable, potentially, but they have sown seeds that we will give the SoulCalibur V time period a second chance, with greater care, and that I look forward to. That is all.
 

Nyte

Fu-ma's Shadow
Generally, the most praise for SCV that I've seen from Dante are purely design-based. And even if that wasn't the case, getting as enraged as you do at her for saying anything positive about SC5 is real fucking childish.

And you act as though she's harrassing the devs and loudly compaigning for Soulcalibur to scale back the fanservice when all she's doing is innocuously stating that she wishes they'd do that.

Just do everyone a favor. Stop being a petulant brat crying about the Evil SJWs and stop picking fights with people only to later proclaim how "tiring" it is that an argument YOU started has gone on for so long. It'll make this hellsite a lot more bearable.
Well sorry, I just don't like her saying such things. That's all.

Can we move on?
 

Dissidia

Premium Member

I had no idea that this was a thing. Maybe I'm way behind. They clearly have access to really old animation data, so they have no reason to exclude characters like Hwang.

Everyone kept saying Azwel was a necrid clone but he's a partial Spawn clone? lol
 

sytus

[14] Master

I had no idea that this was a thing. Maybe I'm way behind. They clearly have access to really old animation data, so they have no reason to exclude characters like Hwang.

Everyone kept saying Azwel was a necrid clone but he's a partial Spawn clone? lol
That's quite amusing seeing Azwel especially his axe stance taking moves largely from Spawn's moveset, guess Azwel has been with us the whole time. XD
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
To be fair, the Xbox version was the least played version of SoulCalibur II, so it's not surprising it mostly went unnoticed.

But yes, this is why the hope lives for Hwang and Li Long from SoulCalibur III: Arcade Edition to eventually be resurrected.