Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

Frayhua

[14] Master
Okay so lets say they do change that? How do you expect them to change it?
Remove the EZ Normals Completely & Buff the JFs. If that happens, I'll consider maining Setsuka again, but now I must convince Project Soul that giving Setsuka EZ versions of her JFs was a huge mistake. EZ Umbrella, EZ 2143BB, & EZ bA costing little to no meter is stupid. Remember in SCV when Cervantes had an easier iGDR. That version of iGDR was a Guard Break & was slower than the real version of iGDR. The point was that iGDR matter & the EZ version was balanced & cost 1/2 a bar like all Brave Edges in SCV did. The EZ Normals of moves that were legit JFs in other games do the same thing as the JFs. JFs just gets you slightly more DMG. What's the point in using her JFs when the EZ Normals are OP. The only JF that matters is ag:B b/c if you do agB the opponent can Air Control. I guess overbuffing Hilde & Viola in SCV was totally fine.
 

Angrel-San

[10] Knight
Remove the EZ Normals Completely & Buff the JFs. If that happens, I'll consider maining Setsuka again, but now I must convince Project Soul that giving Setsuka EZ versions of her JFs was a huge mistake. EZ Umbrella, EZ 2143BB, & EZ bA costing little to no meter is stupid. Remember in SCV when Cervantes had an easier iGDR. That version of iGDR was a Guard Break & was slower than the real version of iGDR. The point was that iGDR matter & the EZ version was balanced & cost 1/2 a bar like all Brave Edges in SCV did. The EZ Normals of moves that were legit JFs in other games do the same thing as the JFs. JFs just gets you slightly more DMG. What's the point in using her JFs when the EZ Normals are OP. The only JF that matters is ag:B b/c if you do agB the opponent can Air Control. I guess overbuffing Hilde & Viola in SCV was totally fine.
Don't need to convince.

Nerfing stuff at whim is never the approach. If Project Soul decided to do easier version of her JFs is for the casuals.

Let her be. Start with nerfing stuff then Setsuka becomes shit much like Kazuya in Tekken 7 which is super high execution for lower payout.
 

weshookhands

[11] Champion
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She still has OP hitboxes like Fahkahrum.
This surprises me, actually. Compared to SCIV, I feel like she is really really whiffy, umbrella especially (due to eliminating verizontals). Which moves do you think have OP hitboxes?

Remove the EZ Normals Completely & Buff the JFs. If that happens, I'll consider maining Setsuka again, but now I must convince Project Soul that giving Setsuka EZ versions of her JFs was a huge mistake. EZ Umbrella, EZ 2143BB, & EZ bA costing little to no meter is stupid. Remember in SCV when Cervantes had an easier iGDR. That version of iGDR was a Guard Break & was slower than the real version of iGDR. The point was that iGDR matter & the EZ version was balanced & cost 1/2 a bar like all Brave Edges in SCV did. The EZ Normals of moves that were legit JFs in other games do the same thing as the JFs. JFs just gets you slightly more DMG. What's the point in using her JFs when the EZ Normals are OP. The only JF that matters is ag:B b/c if you do agB the opponent can Air Control.
Do I get you right that you're quitting on Sets not because you yourself don't enjoy to play as her anymore but because you resent other players using her easy inputs? Others using easy inputs and over-using umbrella for example can be a pain in the ass, I agree. It hasn't really taken away any of my personal fun though, especially when fighting other opponents than Setsuka.

Sorry to lose you, man.

EDIT: I think it's important to keep in mind that, as a DLC character, Setsuka has to be somewhat more accessible to casual people who still pay like five dollar for her...Imagine paying that price and not being able to pull off her signature moves. I'm just glad they did not remove the complex inputs altogether lol. Reward could be higher, though.
 

Frayhua

[14] Master
Don't need to convince.

Nerfing stuff at whim is never the approach. If Project Soul decided to do easier version of her JFs is for the casuals.

Let her be. Start with nerfing stuff then Setsuka becomes shit much like Kazuya in Tekken 7 which is super high execution for lower payout.
I don't want Setsuka to be terrible. I want Setsuka to be difficult again. Setsuka getting EZ Normals was a huge mistake. If Setsuka didn't have EZ OP Normals that made her JFs pointless I wouldn't have dropped her or told people on Twitter & Discord that Setsuka's EZ Mode OP Normals was a mistake. The Setsuka DIscord banned me for telling the truth about Setsuka's EZ OP Normals.

This surprises me, actually. Compared to SCIV, I feel like she is really really whiffy, umbrella especially (due to eliminating verizontals). Which moves do you think have OP hitboxes?
Lots of Mitsurugi's moves whiffed Setsuka like MST A+B, 66A+B when Setsuka is in WoH at Close Range, most of his Mid Horizontals whiff her.

Do I get you right that you're quitting on Sets not because you yourself don't enjoy to play as her anymore but because you resent her easy inputs?
I mained Setsuka after I dropped SCIII X, because she was so super easy & super strong. I enjoyed Setsuka's style & difficulty. Then when she was replaced in SCV by A. Pat, I played Leixia. I played X in SCVI for Season 1 & most of Season 2. I wanted Setsuka back more than anyone. I tried to confirm every rumor/datamine for 8 & 1/2 years in hopes for her to return. Then Setsuka returned last month, but then I saw that she had EZ OP Normals for no reason. I was hoping the latest patch removed the EZ Normals, but Project Soul didn't do anything & Setsuka continues to be insanely OP.
 

Frayhua

[14] Master
And what makes you think I was trying to answer Frayhua’s question? What does me posting a glaring whiff issue with Setsuka from another’s person’s tweet have anything to do with Frayhua of all things?
@DanteSC3 I just want the EZ Normals that make Setsuka's JF pointess to be removed. I don't want Setsuka to have whiffing issues or be terrible. Just because I hate the EZ OP Normals, Setsuka got for no reason doesn't mean I hate Setsuka. I never hated Setsuka. It's just Project Soul giving her EZ OP Normals of JFs was a huge mistake.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
And what makes you think I was trying to answer Frayhua’s question? What does me posting a glaring whiff issue with Setsuka from another’s person’s tweet have anything to do with Frayhua of all things?
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.
 

Frayhua

[14] Master
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.
Non Setsuka mains loved that Setsuka was getting EZ OP Normals when she was released.

 

Crash X

[14] Master
Well since Setsuka is apparently OP, per Frayhua, this is something that puts her down a peg or two, and now maybe she’s not OP anymore? :sc4amy1:

I’m mostly just blending the conversation. I agree that the whiff issue is terrible (hence the dislike, it was at the issue, not your post), but I was having a moment to joke that they did it on purpose to “balance” Setsuka out for having the “EZ OP normals”.
Well okay then. Really though, I just wanted to share the whiff issue (which may have unintentionally supported @weshookhands statement of Setsuka’s linearity problem). I couldn’t even care less about Frayhua’s whining.

If anything, I don’t find Setsuka to be that big of a deal. Especially when other characters like Zasalamel and even Yoshimitsu are offering more than their fair share.
 

weshookhands

[11] Champion
Lots of Mitsurugi's moves whiffed Setsuka like MST A+B, 66A+B when Setsuka is in WoH at Close Range, most of his Mid Horizontals whiff her.
I think you're refering to her hurtbox rather than her hitbox, then.

I mained Setsuka after I dropped SCIII X, because she was so super easy & super strong. I enjoyed Setsuka's style & difficulty. Then when she was replaced in SCV by A. Pat, I played Leixia. I played X in SCVI for Season 1 & most of Season 2. I wanted Setsuka back more than anyone. I tried to confirm every rumor/datamine for 8 & 1/2 years in hopes for her to return. Then Setsuka returned last month, but then I saw that she had EZ OP Normals for no reason. I was hoping the latest patch removed the EZ Normals, but Project Soul didn't do anything & Setsuka continues to be insanely OP.
I was misquoted here. Whatever.
 

sytus

[14] Master
@Frayhua

A partial solution is to have a parasol option that does the things you want it to. I mean I hate Reversal Edge and refuse to use it in my gameplan so I understand the annoyance to a degree, but it is what it is now which is unfortunate for those that wanted all her strict timing to be implemented. Also I don't consider Setsuka to be OP at all and I've had long sessions fighting against Setsuka players with phenomenal execution skills and still defeated them without thinking she's busted. If you really want to talk about someone being OP, look at Amy with her infinite auto Resist Impacts.
 

Frayhua

[14] Master
@Frayhua

I don't consider Setsuka to be OP at all and I've had long sessions fighting against Setsuka players with phenomenal execution skills and still defeated them without thinking she's busted.
I only say Setsuka is OP because of EZ Mode Normals. I want the EZ Normals gone. It's sad Project Soul will never remove her EZ OP Normals that make her JFs pointless. Since that not happening, I've dropped Setsuka.
 

sytus

[14] Master
I only say Setsuka is OP because of EZ Mode Normals. I want the EZ Normals gone.
For who though? If for you, then ask for a weapon option that does this. If you've dropped her because other people are using the EZ Normals, then that's being bitter. I personally would like a parasol option to see if I would find her more satisfying to play that would also give me the muscle memory if I ever get to play the previous games again.
 

fjphoenix

[09] Warrior
I liked Setsuka when she didn’t have EZ normals.
i liked Cassandra when she didn’t lighting shenanigans
I liked Amy when she didn’t have roses

so what you saying is you liked the characters before they were cool. In other words let me see your Starbucks cup.

This is the best Setsuka moveset we have ever had.

you choosing to drop her because casuals can actually use her now is like drinking poison hoping the person you’re mad at dies. If you really enjoyed using her then you should be happy just my 2cents
 

Apoc Revolution

[10] Knight
Ideally, I would've liked Setcyka's easier inputs to have different properties to encourage players to put in more effort. But she isn't suddenly overpowered just because she has easier versions. Those moves, including the just frame versions, have weaknesses. If they were all safe on block and if 1AAA wasn't minus on hit, then it might be understandable, but this isn't the case. She is still satisfying to play and the skill ceiling for this character remains high.

Who cares if a bunch of players only ever do her easy inputs. These 'frauds' (half joking) will sacrifice damage and meter while you get to look stylish as fuck with increased damage and meter. That just makes it extra satisfying during mirror matches. This is the mindset you need to have, Frayhua, instead of dropping Setcyka because anyone can do some of her basic combos. Now start playing her again and show people what she is capable of.
 

DanteSC3

[14] Master
I liked Cassandra when she didn’t Lightning shenanigans
Of the three things you pointed out, though, this one is actually clashing with the reason the character was charming to begin with, though. Amy and roses go hand in hand for her style and fashion, and Setsuka has her cherry blossom parasol flair as she always has, but Cassandra having Divine Force is a slap in the face to everyone who enjoyed Cassandra for being a brutal brawler relying on her own strength. I hate it and I hope it goes away for SoulCalibur VII. Sophitia should use the godly powers, not Cassandra.