SCV Tier List

[darkfender]

SC4 was the most boring one imo. Stupid system (critical finish) and cuts everywhere (no advance/retreat guard, soul charge, WL moves), boring music and stages. Even SC3 was more fun imo despite the bugs and terrible balance. SC5 may not have the character complexity of previous games but at least the system makes the game super fun. I love it.

scIV was visually bad...lot of aestethic things were worse than soul V
But soul V is generic and unbalanced......

In scIV characters had their distictive moves, damage, range, spacing etc etc....
In scV most characters have similar moves, all have long range tools, huge damage combos etc etc etc.
Also lot of characters cannot be punished consistently for wrong mixups and whiffs....and the huge damage push the game around stupid 50% unreactable mixups that shouldn t exist....even when you use a fast high poke you risk to lose half bar having the opponent gambling a crouch...

I mean risk reward is awfully bad in this game....

This leads to matchups really horrible.......probably more relevant that tiers themselves.

SoulV has HUGE potential and is full of great things but is horrible to play because it rewards so much things that basic scIV gameplay teached you to avoid being stupid :|

 

[Kalas]

I won't post a tier list here anytime soon (1. it's gonna change anyway and 2. I don't know some chars so I can't put them in relation to others).

Just some general thoughts on tiers (in the system Top, Upper Mid, Mid, Lower Mid, Bottom).

Leixia
Lol @ everyone who says she is top. I can instantly think of more than five chars that are better than her and another handful that are pretty much on her level (or even higher). People just need to see that she has holes in her gameplan.
By the way, unlike other players I don't wanna talk my main bad so that everyone thinks she's worse than she actually is (she has the tools to win against everyone of the roster), but when I see a tier list where she's placed higher than Alexandras, Cervy, Mitsu, Natsu I don't know what to say anymore.
For me she's a good Mid or bad Upper Mid.

Ivy
Mid for me, too. She just seems weaker than she is because for the first time since SC1 (not counting BD) she's not Top or Upper Mid... and that's why Ivy players are too spoiled and complain about stuff that some chars in SC5 would still kill for.

Nightmare
I think it's the other way around with Nightmare. He's not that bad at all for the first time (counting from SC3) and some people immediately wanna put him in Top or Upper Mid. Another Mid for me, not higher. In some matchups his bad frames don't really matter, I admit, but in others they stand in his way. And some are just blinded by what Keev or Omega achieve and can't make a difference between 'strong char' and 'strong player'.


EDIT: Oh, before I forget: SC5 fun >>> SC4 fun.

 

[Synraii]

As a matter of interest, what's the general opinion of Algol so far?

Anyways, I'll do a list for lulz, most of it is probably wrong, haha:

SSS: Edgemaster.
SS: Kilik, Elysium.
S: Alpha Patroklos, Natsu.
A: Pyrrha Omega, Cervantes, Xiba, Mitsurugi, Algol, Maxi, Yoshimitsu.
B: Astaroth, Nightmare, Pyrrha, Voldo, Patroklos, Leixia, Ivy, Hilde, Raphael.
C: Z.W.E.I, Siegfried, Ezio, Viola.
D: Aeon, Dampierre.



Key:
SSS = God Tier
SS = Demigod Tier
S = Top Tier
A = High Tier
B = Mid Tier
C = Low Tier
D = Bottom Tier

 

[Ring]

Ivy
Mid for me, too. She just seems weaker than she is because for the first time since SC1 (not counting BD) she's not Top or Upper Mid... and that's why Ivy players are too spoiled and complain about stuff that some chars in SC5 would still kill for.

Stop calling Ivy players spoiled, it's getting ridiculous. What other characters in SC5 would kill for? Having half of their moveset removed or maybe one of the lowest damage outputs in the game? She was only strong in SC2 and SC4. The rest was low tier (SC1) or mid (SC3, BD, SC5).

Ivy right now is somewhere between lower mid and mid. She will become full mid after the patch.

 

[Synraii]

6B8K as a punisher, for a start.

 

[Kalas]

Stop calling Ivy players spoiled, it's getting ridiculous. What other characters in SC5 would kill for? Having half of their moveset removed or maybe one of the lowest damage outputs in the game? She was only strong in SC2 and SC4. The rest was low tier (SC1) or mid (SC3, BD, SC5).

Ivy right now is somewhere between lower mid and mid. She will become full mid after the patch.

Maybe I should have added a smiley so that nobody gets it wrong. ;)
However I find it kinda funny that you immediately felt referred to. In every joke there's a grain of truth, just saying...

Btw, I think Ivy was Upper Mid in SC3. She was strong back in those SECS-days, too, but that's another story.

 

[Synraii]

I don't know why Ring is complaining - he will beat me on Saturday regardless...

 

[malek]

Synrai. What are the diffrences of EdgeMaster and Kilik with ordinary characters ?
Do they have any advantages over ordinary charac (exept from Xiba 22AAA, I can't see any differences.)

 

[Synraii]

It was a highbrow joke:

So far, because players like Keev and Omega have been winning with Nightmare, stupid people have been calling NM top tier. My theory is that if someone were to win with Edgemaster/Kilik/Elysium, the ganeral response on this thread would be akin to this: it can't be down to the player, the character must be super, super broken and should be banned.

Put simply I was trolling idiots, haha.

 

[JAGTHEGEMINI]

SC4 was the most boring one imo. Stupid system (critical finish) and cuts everywhere (no advance/retreat guard, soul charge, WL moves), boring music and stages. Even SC3 was more fun imo despite the bugs and terrible balance. SC5 may not have the character complexity of previous games but at least the system makes the game super fun. I love it.

You know, at the beginning, i disliked SCIV too. But i started to like that game after some time. It was imo something like a "real testament" to a players skill ´cause of the weak step system and the nerfed moves in general compared to previous games. You really had to work hard if you wanted to win in this game but maybe except with those top-tiers in SCIV... You know who i am talking about. :p

 

[Heaton]

Synrai. What are the diffrences of EdgeMaster and Kilik with ordinary characters ?
Do they have any advantages over ordinary charac (exept from Xiba 22AAA, I can't see any differences.)

Even though Synraii was taking the piss, Edgemaster gets a slight buff on range to most of the female characters, and also takes a slight nerf to range on male characters, notably Astaroth. Kilik just plain old takes a nerf on some of his hitboxes and doesn't have any inherit advantages over giving you advice on training and complimenting your movement skills. Basically, Kilik is at the same time the manliest and sandbaggiest character you can select.

 

[SCPartisan]

#1

 

[Tiamat]

As a matter of interest, what's the general opinion of Algol so far?

I'm not sure on his tier but I think he's is pretty good. He feels mid tier or maybe upper mid to me. Not low tier and not top 5 thats all I feel sure about.

 

[Maxou]

No order.

Saitoh's :
Uber: Natsu, Alpha
Top: Mitsu, Omega, Cervy, Maxi
Upper Mid: Algol, Patroklos, Pyrrha, Yoshi, Voldo, Xiba, Viola
Mid: Leixia, Tira, Ivy, Aeon, Nightmare
Lower Mid: Asta, Hilde, Raph, Zwei
Low tier: Ezio, Sieg

Maxou's :
A : Natsu
B : Alpha, Mitsu, Omega, Cervy
C : Algol, Patroklos, Pyrrha, Yoshi, Voldo, Xiba, Viola, Maxi, Tira
D : Ivy, Aeon, Nightmare, Leixa, Hilde, ZWEI, Raph, Asta
E : Ezio, Sieg

Natsu >> Alpha.
Alpha is a (very) strong character but he does have weaknesses (Natsu doesn't). Weaknesses including :
- subpar antistep game (mostly high, even so he has 3K at close range)
- very bad wake up game (for those who understand french : http://soulcalibur.fr/index.php?threads/etude-sur-le-wake-up-game-dalpha-patroklos.13337/) - his best wake up tool so far is 214~2K.
- hard to deal with zoners (night, mitsu, ivy, pyrrha are not easy MUs for exemple).
- 0 guard break damage.

Aeon is better than most people think he is :
- correct punishing game
- best RO game in the game
- average to good pokes
- good zoning (66A is his best zoning tool though)
- better than most throw game.

Viola is better than most people think she is :
- imba gameplan (blockstun mid and combo to 98dmg or 104 for male character without BEs / good throws - safe invisible and avantage low which deals 33dmg) hopefully it needs to be set up because if it didn't she would be broken.
- very good damage on her starters (22B BE = 94 dmg, 44A BE = 94 dmg, 33[ B ] = 80 dmg, 3B + BE = 106dmg,...) nice damage overall.
- good advantage pokes (3A, 6B, AA, BB, etc..)
- good throws, good pressing game.

 

[Ring]

Maybe I should have added a smiley so that nobody gets it wrong. ;)
However I find it kinda funny that you immediately felt referred to. In every joke there's a grain of truth, just saying...

Btw, I think Ivy was Upper Mid in SC3. She was strong back in those SECS-days, too, but that's another story.

I am just a bit tired of the Ivy players jokes still going strong in the SC community.

I think the fact that at the end of SC4 a lot of people lost respect for Ivy players and referred to them as tier whores (even when in jokes manner, but like you said in every joke there's a grain of truth) and we were a subject of jokes for the whole time was enough of a punishment.

I could agree she was upper mid in SC3:AE but no way she was upper mid in the console SC3. The damage output difference between her and rest of the cast was even more prominent than now.

 

[Synraii]

I am just a bit tired of the Ivy players jokes still going strong in the SC community.

Speak for yourself, this shit is still fresh. =P

 

[Heaton]

I am just a bit tired of the Ivy players jokes still going strong in the SC community.

To be fair, you kind of bring it on yourselves when you say stuff like:

3B is ridiculously overpowed move in SCV and super spammable.

He can combo CE of SRSH K?! Broken.

Now everyone will have a pocket-Siegfried ready for tournament fights.

Haha, well I heard something else. I will be sure to come here in a week and give my condolences to Siegfried players!

 

[Ring]

Again, those were impressions of the beta SC5, where Siegfried was really strong. I don't get why you bring this up all the time. It may look funny now, but it wasn't back then.

 

[Heaton]

Again, those were impressions of the beta SC5, where Siegfried was really strong. I don't get why you bring this up all the time. It may look funny now, but it wasn't back then.

3(B) and what it gives post-block hasn't really changed at all from pre-build. SCH K still beats nearly everything except Cervy aB and Natsu AA - it trades with a few other things too that are few and far between, and aren't really in anyone's favor. SCH K lost to QS back then, too, which SCH A beat then and still beats now (assuming you don't QS4G like a terrible person). The only real difference is 3(B) ~ SCH B isn't NC anymore, which is a huge deal but not what people were bitching about chiefly. Not to mention every single Siegfried player worth his salt told everyone not to worry, and Pantocrator still maintains that pre-build Siegfried would still be "only good, not broken" - I agree with him. Though, you were right, since Omega now has a pocket Siegfried to avoid Nightmare mirrors. That was a good prediction your part.

Basically I said things but did anyone listen? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[marinasea17]

Everyone placing Raph above bottom tier, get out. Bottom tier is reserved for Raph, he's like... a freakin handicap option!