Soul Calibur VI: General discussion

sytus said:
Rock should be in the game period like all the classic characters. I prefer Rock over Astaroth, always have because his design is more appealing to me and I would like to play a grappler who I find more appealing. I cannot believe that people here are still beating the drum what characters should be kicked and even worse the suggestion that they should be booted entirely from the series.

From Soul Blade to Soul Calibur 4 there are a total of 29 unique playable characters, 5 playable mimics and 7 playable guest characters. Those 29 playable characters should have a guaranteed slot at this point in the series with Algol being the only one up for debate due to the plot of SC4. With the current new characters for SC6 plus the mimic Inferno and the possible unannounced character that would bring a total of 33. To those that have the energy to constantly spout about which characters should be removed, can you focus that energy on social media please, pushing for a character pool of 33 so nearly everyone can be happy and make this the best Soul Calibur game ever released.

Here I've also done a full list to share on social media to generate buzz. Please do this instead of wasting energy beating someone elses opinion down because they want a character returning that you don't, it's getting tiring.

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The roster is set and I'm 99.9% sure not every character is going to be in the game. Sending Okubo this picture on twitter isn't going to change that.
 
100Percent said:
The roster is set and I'm 99.9% sure not every character is going to be in the game. Sending Okubo this picture on twitter isn't going to change that.
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I'm fully aware that the character pool is already set and we will not being getting all the characters I've listed, all that this is about is that it's to encourage people to spread around the social sphere so if there is a season 2 then the idea has long been out there giving Project Soul plenty of time to prepare them.
 
ElegantRaven said:
I personally have a massive distaste for Rock, but I will be respectful: To Rock fans, what exactly is it that you like about him, and what is it that makes it seem like him making it in over other more popular characters would be a good idea? He seems like a genuine waste of a slot to me, he's never had an interesting personality or storyline (ie outshined by other characters who would be a better fit in the restricted base roster), he's never exactly been top of the tiers in gameplay (which I know is half-irrelevant as they can fix this), and he just is not as popular as other characters who could be sacrificed if he was to make it in. So why do you guys think it's a good idea for him to be here instead of someone else? Genuinely curious and admittedly would be quite annoyed if he was to be in the base roster instead of someone like Cassandra or Tira or Raphael, speaking for myself.
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Well, his gameplay is enjoyable. Way more fun than Astaroth in my opinion. If you've played SCIV you'd see that he's as Different from Astaroth as Cassandra is from Sophitia. For instance, he has moves like 6B+K, 2B+K, and 3AAA (this one is from older games, it was absent in SCIV) that i absolutely adore that Astaroth lacks. Not to mention his ground throws. Aside from gameplay, i love his design. The animal motif fits him pretty well and it's interesting to see what kind of design they'll give him in every iteration. Again, i prefer it over Astaroth's mostly over-designed appearances such as his new one & SCIV P1. I also find Rock's personality to be way more interesting than Astaroth. Astaroth's persona is boring as heck since he's a golem created for the purpose of killing, i don't see room for character development there. As opposed to Rock, who's a noble & honorable warrior with Bangoo to raise.

I think the main issue here is that in the past games, PS has given Astaroth a better treatment over all and that's what made him more popular than Rock. Rock has potential IMO, way more than Astaroth. It's like the Mi-na ~ Kilik situation. Before her announcement, everyone bitched and wined about her being in since she'd be a "clone of kilik" and a waste of a slot, but that's obviously not the case, she received a very warm welcome from what I've personally seen and they've given her A LOT of new stuff it seems. It's great to me because Mi-na is the original wielder of the Rod, not Kilik. Same thing with Rock, i'd love to see what they do with him if they give him another chance and include him this time. IMO he has a lot of potential. :sc4roc1:
 
AMillionHP said:
Now, to address the issue of unpopularity, i'm fully aware he needs to be changed. Preferably a brand new weapon entirely. Dual axes, giant flail, whatever but he does need something. So i'm effectively talking about a brand new character in that regard. He can keep the name, some old moves maybe, but everything else will be fresh and new.

This way we kind of please two different types of people.
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I don't think that would please many people at all tbh. People who don't like Rock would be annoyed they recycled the old boring guy who's had his chance and failed instead of making an actual new character, while people who liked Rock for his moveset don't have the thing they liked most about him. All it would satisfy is people who liked Rock for his design but don't like his moveset which from what I gather are very few.

That's how he's different from Lizardman for example, Lizardman stands out as the animal of the roster and is nice to have around design-wise but there'd always been complaints about him being yet another shield character, so a new fighting style works well for him.
 
They could include Rock and I would be fine with it. Good for his fans, every character doesn't have to appeal to me personally to deserve a spot on the roster.

What pisses me off is Lizardman potentially being a S&S user again. The double axes were perfect for him, I just don't see why you'd throw that away and likely remove Cassandra as a result too.
 
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Rock is like a design flaw, if other characters weren't so flamboyant, he would fit in better. He needs to be more ... something. Less brown maybe? XD
 
tirakai said:
I don't think that would please many people at all tbh. People who don't like Rock would be annoyed they recycled the old boring guy who's had his chance and failed instead of making an actual new character, while people who liked Rock for his moveset don't have the thing they liked most about him. All it would satisfy is people who liked Rock for his design but don't like his moveset which from what I gather are very few.

That's how he's different from Lizardman for example, Lizardman stands out as the animal of the roster and is nice to have around design-wise but there'd always been complaints about him being yet another shield character, so a new fighting style works well for him.
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Design changes from game to game anyway that goes without saying. The only significant thing left to change is the moveset. Yes, if his animations and abilities are appealing, then people will start liking him. How are you gathering people who feel that way is "the minority"?

Taking an old character that no one likes and changing him into something people would like is easier work for the developers than developing something completely brand new from scratch. At the end of the day, its a fighting game and the movesets are the most important aspect.
 
Ninjaguy446 said:
I still can't believe people here actually think that Rock is coming back lol
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That's what was said about Mina but she's returned. You might end up eating those words in a few weeks.

As for people mentioning Rock having major changes to his appearence, I actually like how traditional Rock looks so I don't want to see that changed.
 
Well for starters I never argued that Rock should be in over someone else in particular. Hell, I never argued any one character should be in over another. I just have an issue with a) people who obviously have never played either Astaroth or Rock and have no idea what they're talking about, and b) trolls who insist on asking passive-aggressive questions like 'LMAO WHO EVEN LIKES ROCK XDDD" for the millionth time.
tirakai said:
The game being a reboot and going back to SC1 events is exactly why I think we could see Rock gone for good
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The game being a reboot and going back to SC1 events is exactly why I think this is the perfect time to overhaul the character as they did with Seung-Mina (and will probably do with Hwang if he comes back).

Gameplay wise, he's always been the Bass to Astaroth's Bayman, or more to the point, the Siegfried to Astaroth's Nightmare. Just because they fit within the same general archetype doesn't mean they can't bring different things to the table. By your philosophy we shouldn't have Talim since Maxi is already a stance character. I've already explained how Rock and Astaroth have different gameplans, and with the changes to throws in SC6 Rock's might actually become a lot stronger.

Design wise, he also fills an important niche as the heroic barbarian: weathered by the elements and animalized by his need to survive in the wild, but never evil or cruel like Astaroth or without control like Lizardman. The heroic barbarian is often pulled from civil society like a Tarzan or a Spartacus, and must relearn the basics of human survival which he took for granted in the civilized world. I know many of the recent fans to this franchise have been drawn in primarily by the growing anime influences, but SC has always drawn inspiration first and foremost from historical fantasy and high fantasy—where the heroic barbarian is one of the essential archetypes.

There's also the obvious fact that this is meant to be a retelling of SC1, and if they're bringing back obscure and neglected characters like Mina and possibly Hwang then it would only make sense to also bring back Rock, if nothing else for the sake of completion and out of respect for the legacy of the series. Okubo clearly respects that legacy.
tirakai said:
but they couldn't think of anything interesting for Rock to do in SCII or III or IV or V, why would they suddenly have a bunch of great ideas now?
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Well 3 and 4 did have interesting ideas since they completely reworked the character, and 5 cut out like half the roster so I'm not sure it's exactly a lack of ideas that's responsible for his omission there. 2 is a curious case since he wasn't the only legacy character missing: Sophitia, Mina, Lizardman, Siegfried, Hwang, and Rock were all skipped in the original arcade release, and the few who were added to the home console release were just copypasted from SC1. So I'm not really sure I agree with the idea that he's ever been missing from a Soul Calibur game because he was "uncharismatic" or "uninteresting" as people have been saying. Rock has been in four of the six mainline games and he's only missed the games where a bunch of characters were cut.
 
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I get the impression Bamco doesn't remember Han-Myeong was playable, they forgot about him on that poll a couple years back.

He would be certainly be a way to throw people off, putting in neither Hwang or Yun but Mina's dad.
 
suuusuuu said:
Rock is like a design flaw, if other characters weren't so flamboyant, he would fit in better. He needs to be more ... something. Less brown maybe? XD
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Nah. I think he just needs more meat in his fighting style, especially since SCIV stripped him almost completely to the bone and left him completely outclassed by Astaroth and stuck in the bottom five of that game.

I do appreciate the fact that they were trying to differentiate both his and Asta’s moveset (like giving Rock some more wrestling type of attacks). It just needs better utility.
 
It was said that multiples would be kept at a minimum, does anyone remember where that came from?
Kilik/Mi-na and Siegfried/Nightmare being in seems to belie that claim.

My personal opinion is that every character from 1 and 2 should be in, to not piss off anyone, by cutting his/her main that they rightly expect from a game with an SC1 and II reboot premise.

Characters from SE and 3/4/5 would be a nice bonus or DLC material.
Even though seeing Zwei, Viola and/or Algol ever again would make me puke more than a little.
But that is just my opinion...
If it boosts the sales, go for it.

Edit: If we see Bangoo finally playable, i'd totally lose my shit and i'm sure i wouldn't be the only one.

Edit2: And i'd also rather not see another 20 or so pages of character viability bickering.
 
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